President Joe Biden

[FogBlueInSanFran]

The democrats have a fight on their hands to have a 2nd term, as the closeness of the last election can elude to.

The last thing that was needed was their own sides president taking a decision that pisses them off.

I think less younger democrats will vote next time due to what Biden has done. I don't think they'll forgive him.

Right wing leading media were able to skew the election away from Hillary Clinton because of her emails, I think they'll do worse to Biden over this.

Just my belief.

I didnt know how Afghanistan is being reported in the States but I do know the media which would usual defend the Democrats here are certainly not doing so.

First off, the election is three-plus years away. About a gazillion good or bad things can happen between now and then.

Second, this is not Vietnam. Young people weren't drafted to fight an unwinnable war far away over many years. There haven't been mass protests in the street demanding we stay there (or leave). The nation simply isn't on Americans' radar screen relatively speaking. COVID, the economy, the scars of January 6 . . . all far more important issues in the long run.

Third, fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. Do you really believe those who got snookered into voting for Trump because they didn't want to vote for a reasonably unlikeable Clinton are suddenly going to sit the next election out, or do you think after everything that happened in the Trump presidency, Democrats are wise to the danger he poses?

Fourth, we are also assuming both Biden and Trump are running again. I am not sure that's an assumption I would necessarily make in either case, for reasons more than just their respective ages.

I might be wrong and maybe this blows up into a Biden Waterloo but I think it's a very large stretch to conclude that now.

 

[FogBlueInSanFran]

Haven’t his approval ratings dropped to the worst ever in the first 7 months of a President? Heard it from Sky news so presumed reliable.

No. The Delta resurgence + Afghanistan haven't helped but several Presidents saw bigger percentage drops, including Trump.

How Popular Is Joe Biden?

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[Octavian]

No. The Delta resurgence + Afghanistan haven't helped but several Presidents saw bigger percentage drops, including Trump.

How Popular Is Joe Biden?

Latest polls on President Joe Biden’s approval ratings

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My eyes aren’t what they used to be, can’t understand that but I’ll take your word for it above the link :-)

My view is, I think Trump vs someone like Harris could be close but a fresh Dem option would still win.

 

[argyle]

First off, the election is three-plus years away. About a gazillion good or bad things can happen between now and then.

Second, this is not Vietnam. Young people weren't drafted to fight an unwinnable war far away over many years. There haven't been mass protests in the street demanding we stay there (or leave). The nation simply isn't on Americans' radar screen relatively speaking. COVID, the economy, the scars of January 6 . . . all far more important issues in the long run.

Third, fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. Do you really believe those who got snookered into voting for Trump because they didn't want to vote for a reasonably unlikeable Clinton are suddenly going to sit the next election out, or do you think after everything that happened in the Trump presidency, Democrats are wise to the danger he poses?

Fourth, we are also assuming both Biden and Trump are running again. I am not sure that's an assumption I would necessarily make in either case, for reasons more than just their respective ages.

I might be wrong and maybe this blows up into a Biden Waterloo but I think it's a very large stretch to conclude that now.

I think the coverage of what Biden has done is almost certainly different in the States to what is being shown here.

Even the most liberal of people here vehemently dislike Biden for what he has done.

I think it is certainly a danger that voters could sit the next election out but then that was dependant on his Afghanistan decision being utterly criticised by his own side. It seems I'm wrong about that.

 

[FogBlueInSanFran]

I think the coverage of what Biden has done is almost certainly different in the States to what is being shown here.

Even the most liberal of people here vehemently dislike Biden for what he has done.

I think it is certainly a danger that voters could sit the next election out but then that was dependant on his Afghanistan decision being utterly criticised by his own side. It seems I'm wrong about that.

You are correct I think that the neutral-to-liberal press has been critical of him and this situation, and for good reason. I just don’t think it’s the door opening for Republicans especially given Trump’s effective surrender to the Taliban. I suspect if there’s a Biden worry it should be an economic one: inflation.

 

[BobKowalski]

I think the coverage of what Biden has done is almost certainly different in the States to what is being shown here.

Even the most liberal of people here vehemently dislike Biden for what he has done.

I think it is certainly a danger that voters could sit the next election out but then that was dependant on his Afghanistan decision being utterly criticised by his own side. It seems I'm wrong about that.

It’s fine to hate the decision or even Biden. Haven't heard much in the way of alternative solutions. What was the alternative, other than handling the withdrawal better?

At the end of the day, the Taliban would still be in charge.

 

[argyle]

You are correct I think that the neutral-to-liberal press has been critical of him and this situation, and for good reason. I just don’t think it’s the door opening for Republicans especially given Trump’s effective surrender to the Taliban. I suspect if there’s a Biden worry it should be an economic one: inflation.

We saw the damage to Hillary over Benghazi, or least I should say the political capital that Republicans and Fox News etc made from it. I can just see the same here. It might not be the number 1 issue in America but I can see them calling for hearings and all the political theatre that goes with it.

 

[FogBlueInSanFran]

We saw the damage to Hillary over Benghazi, or least I should say the political capital that Republicans and Fox News etc made from it. I can just see the same here. It might not be the number 1 issue in America but I can see them calling for hearings and all the political theatre that goes with it.

Benghazi and the emails aren’t why she lost. She lost because she galvanized Trump’s supporters with her “deplorables” comment. Single biggest rhetorical blunder made by a politician since Bush’s “no new taxes” promise walk-back.

 

[BlueBanger]

Biden is a sock puppet...nothing more.

This guy is literally a racist too. Amazing that anyone with a fuctional brain would have voted for him...but then i guess when you're in the dirt already your brain isn't functional.

Its testament to the power of the corporate media that people jump on his bandwagon and yet hate trump who did more in reverse gear.

C'est la vie...

 

[Trevor Morley's Tache]

Benghazi and the emails aren’t why she lost. She lost because she galvanized Trump’s supporters with her “deplorables” comment. Single biggest rhetorical blunder made by a politician since Bush’s “no new taxes” promise walk-back.

Opening up the email investigations put enough doubt in Democratic voters minds in swing states. It 100% contributed to her loss.