President Trump

Everyday's a history lesson :)

I like history :-) I took a, very minor, diversion on holiday last year to see the spot where the partisans shot them before they then dumped the bodies back in Milan - the rest of the family think I'm a bit odd, they're probably not wrong.

Back on topic...

It’s hard to have a nuanced discussion about anything related to Trump for the reasons I’ve outlined.

I suspect Dax would be more willing to engage in a more open discussion if the other side weren’t so hostile.

It’s a bit like you going on a Liverpool forum and taking part in numerous discussions about City. You’d feel the need to fight your corner and I suspect that you’d very quickly become unpopular.

It’s a bit of a shame but probably in the nature of being on the internet these days.

Plenty of people have tried to engage Dax in sensible discussion but he will not respond with anything substantive to debate with, it's a mostly mixture of gnomic phrases and wumming, so people have just given up.
 
deflection

I asked specifically if you were OK with the things I listed, all of which are not "what I think he did" but a matter of record. I asked this because you said you were ok with how things were going.

Oh and thanks for telling me how voting works, I really appreciate that deep insight
The fact he likes the post sums up how much of a wum he is.
 
So you're ok with continuing to threaten Greenland? Canada?
He is not threatening Greenland or Canada. He wants to buy Greenland. That's up to the voters of Greenland. He has zero interest in Canada other than wanting better trade. I cant say i care deeply about this and the general upheaval from tariffing each other isn't going to fly long term. In general my sense is tariffs are a negotiation tool for him.

See how your first point is really a non-issue?

You're ok with President Shitgibbons plans to forcibly relocate Palestinians from Gaza in order to build Arabian Disney?
No. Less American involvement in the affairs of others is probably better for us. But at a practical point, id support the Arab nations and Israel rebuilding Gaza and relocating the Palestinians so the place can be repaired.


You're ok with withholding intelligence from Ukraine at the cost of civilian lives?
Yes. If it forces Zelensky to consider a ceasefire and end the war. Absolutely. The war itself has cost 100000 lives. I support anyone trying to end it.

Unlike Biden and your PM who has an opportunity to do this 3 years sgo


You're ok with putting russia first in negotiations where they are the aggressor?
That's your framing. The U.S. is negotiating separately with the 2 sides. Sure Russia is terrible and they are the aggressor, but the goal is to end the war. And i support that.

You're ok with lying about Zelensky being a dictator and Ukraine starting the war?
No. Trump has a potty mouth snd can get aggressive when he feels attacked. Both he and Zelensky were exchanging barbs. Its not that serious. They've now come together and signed a deal of understanding

You're ok with stopping USAid putting potentially millions of the poorest people on earth in danger of starvation or sickness?

Yes. USAID is predominantly a slush fund for leftist causes. Especially their idiotic ideological programs all over Africa. I am absolutely okay with shutting that shithole down.

This is an example of something I didn't vote for, but absolutely happy about. A majority of USAID does not go to helping people in danger pf starving, clearly you haven't gone through the funding programs.

In so far as there are programs that are useful, o am happy its being subsumed under State.

The only downside here is that it limits the U.S. spying capacity as the CIA and other clandestine agencies use USAID to fund covert programs with plausible deniability.

But since this is anti- American, I'm sure that will make you happy :)
You're ok with the White House becoming the backdrop for an advertising campaign for electric vehicles, despite the apparent fact that there is no such need for electric vehicles as the climate is fine thank you very much?
Yes, I am okay with it. Did you hear me complain when Biden promoted electric vehicles a few years ago?

Is this supposed to be some kinda gotcha? Presidents promoting American businesses is par for the course.


You're ok with applying sanctions then withdrawing them less than 24 hours later, despite the instability this brings to global markets and the billions of people whose investments, pensions and livelihood are affected?
No. I think such actions cause instability. But i think he wants to use sanctions as a negotiation tool. I'm not happy about doing it with friendly nations in general. But I'm not happy with friendly nations taking advantage of America either. Granted, that's more Mexico than Canada.

Hopefully, the fantastic Conservative leader in Canada wins and Trump does a better job of improving relationships with Canada. We love Canadians and Mexicans and would love to be fantastic neighbors.
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So for the record, im not a fan of these Tariff wars. Especially, the one with Canada


You're ok with the actions of americas president towards its NATO partners, you remember, those partners who stood by america and went to war alongside them the only time article 5 has been triggered, actions that have called into question the very existence of NATO and the security to Western Europe that alliance brings?
What actions. Be specific.

and finally, and most importantly to the people of america, you're ok that the price of eggs is still rising?

I don't know how you sleep at night supporting the mango shitgibbon
Oops! The price of eggs already started dropping You should update your facts. But im sure you really don't care about Americans or their lives. But thanks for checking in.

And finally, I sleep just fine. Upped my sleep time from 6 hours to 7.5 over the last year.

Granted it had nothing bto do woth whos on government....

Let me know if you have any more questions.
 
He is not threatening Greenland or Canada. He wants to buy Greenland. That's up to the voters of Greenland. He has zero interest in Canada other than wanting better trade. I cant say i care deeply about this and the general upheaval from tariffing each other isn't going to fly long term. In general my sense is tariffs are a negotiation tool for him.

See how your first point is really a non-issue?


No. Less American involvement in the affairs of others is probably better for us. But at a practical point, id support the Arab nations and Israel rebuilding Gaza and relocating the Palestinians so the place can be repaired.



Yes. If it forces Zelensky to consider a ceasefire and end the war. Absolutely. The war itself has cost 100000 lives. I support anyone trying to end it.

Unlike Biden and your PM who has an opportunity to do this 3 years sgo



That's your framing. The U.S. is negotiating separately with the 2 sides. Sure Russia is terrible and they are the aggressor, but the goal is to end the war. And i support that.


No. Trump has a potty mouth snd can get aggressive when he feels attacked. Both he and Zelensky were exchanging barbs. Its not that serious. They've now come together and signed a deal of understanding



Yes. USAID is predominantly a slush fund for leftist causes. Especially their idiotic ideological programs all over Africa. I am absolutely okay with shutting that shithole down.

This is an example of something I didn't vote for, but absolutely happy about. A majority of USAID does not go to helping people in danger pf starving, clearly you haven't gone through the funding programs.

In so far as there are programs that are useful, o am happy its being subsumed under State.

The only downside here is that it limits the U.S. spying capacity as the CIA and other clandestine agencies use USAID to fund covert programs with plausible deniability.

But since this is anti- American, I'm sure that will make you happy :)

Yes, I am okay with it. Did you hear me complain when Biden promoted electric vehicles a few years ago?

Is this supposed to be some kinda gotcha? Presidents promoting American businesses is par for the course.



No. I think such actions cause instability. But i think he wants to use sanctions as a negotiation tool. I'm not happy about doing it with friendly nations in general. But I'm not happy with friendly nations taking advantage of America either. Granted, that's more Mexico than Canada.

Hopefully, the fantastic Conservative leader in Canada wins and Trump does a better job of improving relationships with Canada. We love Canadians and Mexicans and would love to be fantastic neighbors.
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So for the record, im not a fan of these Tariff wars. Especially, the one with Canada



What actions. Be specific.


Oops! The price of eggs already started dropping You should update your facts. But im sure you really don't care about Americans or their lives. But thanks for checking in.

And finally, I sleep just fine. Upped my sleep time from 6 hours to 7.5 over the last year.

Granted it had nothing bto do woth whos on government....

Let me know if you have any more questions.
This thread could get messy, so lets abridge things a little

1 - Greenland - I paraphrase but it was something along the lines of "Greenland will be ours one way or the other". To me, that sounds like a threat
2 - Canada - repeated references to it becoming the 51st state. Now I can't honestly see Canada voting for this, they aren't for sale, so what does that leave? threat
3 - Gaza - oh good, one you're not ok with. We largely seem to agree on this, though I would argue that relocating the Palestinians, whether it be temporary or not, is a decision for the individual
4 - Withholding Intelligence - Promotes a ceasefire on Russian terms. I'm not sure how this can be seen to be "right"
5 - Siding with Russia - You say negotiating with both sides, yet there has been no talk (at least in the publiic domain, which is all we can judge things on) about Russian concessions, just Ukraine giving up its resources to America and its territory to Russia. Combining this with 4, this isn't negotiating this is bullying, threat and intimidation and you should be able to see that
6 -Zelenskyy was set up in the white house fiasco, and "deal" reached is as a result of 4 and 5. But at least you agree shitgibbon was wrong. though to say "exchanged barbs" is disingenuous, Zelenskyy responded to the attack from your people
7 - USAid - OK I'll freely admit I'm not knowledgeable about the organisation and you may have a point, my understanding remains that their programmes save lives. I'll let others argue this further if they so wish. Also, I have no issue with the CIA using USAid as a cover for clandestine ops, spies got to be spies after all.
8 - Sitting Presidents promote products as a matter of course? OK if thats the case I'll bow to your local knowledge, Still think it's crass though. Do you not see a conflict of interest there?
9 - Any sanctions he imposes are immediately returned by the country they're aimed at. Thats a pretty shit negotiating tool. Friendly countries taking advantage of America? be specific. At this rate though there will be few countries you can continue to call friendly. One of the examples Shitgibbon used was Canada exporting power to America. He bleated on in his rambling manner about it being unfair, when it was actually Shitgibbons term1 where he signed said deal he's now whinging about. "We love Canadians and Mexicans and would love to be fantastic neighbors" I get the impression they're not too keen on you though
10 - NATO, well you can start by the threat to take Greenland by force, you know, Greenland, part of the Kingdom of Denmark, NATO member and ally. Follow that with (from the Guardian, a serious newspaper over here, and repeated elsewhere) "US President Donald Trump has cast doubt on his willingness to defend Washington’s Nato allies, saying that he would not do so if they are not paying enough for their own defense." Now I do agree Europe should pay its fair share of NATO defence costs, however there are other ways to achieve this than withdrawing from Article 5.
11 - Egg prices are dropping? Thats great news, makes everything else worth while doesn't it.
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So using those first 10 points, ignoring the eggs, you've argued the validity of 3, said you're against 3, and for 4

Hardly a resounding vote of confidence for the shitgibbon from his most ardent bluemoon supporter
 
For the second time, I was referring to the fact that you guys see Trump as Hitler, so are incapable of objectively discussing him. This is so tiresome, I don’t know how Dax does it :)
Easy. There are some good people here. We just disagree.
Unfortunately, there are also lots ot bullies here who cant stand people who dont agree with the majority here and try their best to silence them.

Unfortunately, I simply will not be bullied.into silence.

None of the usual tactics will work. I don't seek to be anyone's friend here. Just exchanging ideas and opinions.


So attempts to ostracize, lies about what I've said, abuses, insults, or insinuations of being a fascist, a Nazi, a pedophile, a racist, a sexist, a transphope smply will not work. The only thing I care about on this thread is the strength of people's arguments. Name calling does nothing for or against me.

But i will admit, its not as much fun here as it is on the transfer forum or the player performance threads.


Yet, here I am :)
 
I was waiting for my order at the Indian takeaway last week. A lad in front of me was telling everyone how Trump has got it right re immigration. Then said that the same should happen in this country. I then stepped in and asked him where he thought the owners of the takeaway were from. Oh, that's okay because it's good food!!!! I then pointed out that I was originally from Zimbabwe. He then said "but you're white ". This is the mentality of Trump supporters.
 
It’s rinse and repeat every time he comes on
Immigrants= murderers criminals mental patients
Ukraine = USA 350 billion Europe 100 billion
Tarriffs = tax on the other country we don’t pay it
Greenland= Wes re going to take it
Canada = 51 st state
Biden =stupid
Russia is the best ever
If there is a god please get rid of him failing that please someone exercise your second amendment and use it on him
 
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Never underestimate the hatred of 'the left' in this whole debate. There are folk who are utterly ill-informed and make sweeping broad-brush statements about the left. I know this because I've just had that conversation with one of them.

Apparently, "they all want to sit on their arses all day making art for rich people to buy. And the economy is going to take a massive drop, but it's only going to last a year and then the USA will be rich again. It's all part of Trump's 4-D chess move to gut the economy to root out all the leftie fraud scheme that's been going on for decades, and then he's going to use crypto currency to rebuild the economy".

I admit, that on the opposite end of the spectrum there are people who tar all Republicans with the same brush, but that's because so many R's are like the guy I've just been talking to.
 
So using those first 10 points, ignoring the eggs, you've argued the validity of 3, said you're against 3, and for 4

Hardly a resounding vote of confidence for the shitgibbon from his most ardent bluemoon supporter
All with the support and backing of Starmer who was sat by his side and chose not to interject at any point?

So forget Bluemoon posters where does the Labour Government sit is a bit more relevant?
 
The way he is destroying their economy ( and everyone elses too) is there actually a way it is only short term pain for long term gain? Am I missing something?
My understanding is that ultimately he wants tariffs to do one or two things:
1. Replace income tax or just to pay for his tax cuts for the rich. There's no way he can bring in enough via tariffs to replace either of those things? Is this assumption correct? I dont think that deficit can be balanced with tariffs.
Or
He genuinely wants to bring manufacturing back to the states, but, they dont have the materials, infrastructure or cheap labour force to make this a reality, certainly not in the immediate future. How long does he go with this one until there's riots?
 
So forget Bluemoon posters where does the Labour Government sit is a bit more relevant?

I'm scared for you guys.. because it seems we want to keep one upping each other.

2016: you guys chose Brexit.
2016: we chose the orange clown.
2022: you guys chose Liz Truss to crash the economy
2024: we chose the orange clown to crash the economy
2028: you choose Farrage??
2028: we choose civil war??
 
Just watching his press conference with the guy from NATO , the guy is absolutely crazy surrounded by arselickers
 
He’s not letting up on Greenland it’s fucking disgusting, Denmark need to tell him fuck off in no uncertain terms he’s even jokingly saying send in more troops, the NATO guy needs to tell him to shut the fuck up.
 
The way he is destroying their economy ( and everyone elses too) is there actually a way it is only short term pain for long term gain? Am I missing something?
My understanding is that ultimately he wants tariffs to do one or two things:
1. Replace income tax or just to pay for his tax cuts for the rich. There's no way he can bring in enough via tariffs to replace either of those things? Is this assumption correct? I dont think that deficit can be balanced with tariffs.
Or
He genuinely wants to bring manufacturing back to the states, but, they dont have the materials, infrastructure or cheap labour force to make this a reality, certainly not in the immediate future. How long does he go with this one until there's riots?
Brexiteers said pretty much the same thing, seemingly not having realised that Thatcher got rid of most of our means of production decades ago!

Oh, and there wasn't much demand for steam trains, typewriters and spitfires any more!
 
All with the support and backing of Starmer who was sat by his side and chose not to interject at any point?

So forget Bluemoon posters where does the Labour Government sit is a bit more relevant?
I'm sorry what? Starmer supports Shitgibbons Tarriffs, stance on NATO, taking of Greenland, claiming Canada as the 51st state, evicting Palestinians from Gaza to build a holiday resort etc etc?

If you think that you really are thick. Or am I being thick and misunderstood your post?
 

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