Priced out?

[Betterdeedthan red]

That will be 2000 unsold tickets. There will have been more empty seats. I couldn't go on Wednesday and listed my seat on the exchange. It didn't sell but that seat would have been included in the attendance figure.

I thought when you listed your ticket on the exchange it was guaranteed they would give you the money.
Mine didn't sell but know sign of any money.
Can't guarantee the tourists will buy them all after a few bad results.
Time to value the proper fans.
Time to stand together which ever club it is.
It's time to all come together.
Fans before tourists.

 

[Betterdeedthan red]

£90! For a third round match. This is ridiculous. We need to remove the rivalry and work with other fan groups on this.

it’s not just working class people, there pricing out most now.

Absolutely.
Stand together even with rags.
Something needs to change before it's too late

 

[M23 Citizen]

£90! For a third round match. This is ridiculous. We need to remove the rivalry and work with other fan groups on this.

it’s not just working class people, there pricing out most now.

Yep, doesn’t matter who anyone supports when it comes to this. Fans have to take a stand and do it together as one before it’s too late.

English football is going to implode soon. It’ll be like Serie A from the late 90s and 00s where ticket prices went through the roof and fans just stopped going.

Juventus used to get about 25,000 in their old Stadio Delle Alpi which held 70,000. There was a Turin derby in that stadium that had an attendance of just 19,000 in 2003… and Juve got to the CL final that season. That stadium was only built in 1990 and ended up being knocked down in 2009. It was newer than the Etihad is now when it was demolished.




Even the two best supported clubs: Inter and Milan; struggled with 36,000ish average attendances in their 80,000 San Siro at times in the mid 2010s.




Roma v Sampdoria in 2014:


Clubs priced out their fans, fans stopped going, huge stadiums were empty, TV companies stopped buying their TV rights and the clubs were skint. Only 2 Italian teams have won the CL since 2003, and none in the last 14 years.

It’s slowly starting to get better in Serie A now. The Milan clubs are back getting 72,000 average attendances. It’s probably the second best quality league in Europe behind the PL now. But it had two decades where it ate itself and was in a terrible mess for what was once the greatest league in the world that everyone wanted to watch.

Yet even now they are showing they haven’t learnt their lesson: look at the attendance between Milan and Liverpool earlier this season in the CL: 58,000, 22,000 empty seats when their Serie A attendances are over 70,000… all because they tried to cash-in. Tickets were said to start at €125 for home fans. That’s half a season ticket in the Bundesliga, just for one CL game.

 

[Really_here]

Yep, doesn’t matter who anyone supports when it comes to this. Fans have to take a stand and do it together as one before it’s too late.

English football is going to implode soon. It’ll be like Serie A from the late 90s and 00s where ticket prices went through the roof and fans just stopped going.

Juventus used to get about 25,000 in their old Stadio Delle Alpi which held 70,000. There was a Turin derby in that stadium that had an attendance of just 19,000 in 2003… and Juve got to the CL final that season. That stadium was only built in 1990 and ended up being knocked down in 2009. It was newer than the Etihad is now when it was demolished.

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Even the two best supported clubs: Inter and Milan; struggled with 36,000ish average attendances in their 80,000 San Siro at times in the mid 2010s.

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Roma v Sampdoria in 2014:
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Clubs priced out their fans, fans stopped going, huge stadiums were empty, TV companies stopped buying their TV rights and the clubs were skint. Only 2 Italian teams have won the CL since 2003, and none in the last 14 years.

It’s slowly starting to get better in Serie A now. The Milan clubs are back getting 72,000 average attendances. It’s probably the second best quality league in Europe behind the PL now. But it had two decades where it ate itself and was in a terrible mess for what was once the greatest league in the world that everyone wanted to watch.

Yet even now they are showing they haven’t learnt their lesson: look at the attendance between Milan and Liverpool earlier this season in the CL: 58,000, 22,000 empty seats when their Serie A attendances are over 70,000… all because they tried to cash-in. Tickets were said to start at €125 for home fans. That’s half a season ticket in the Bundesliga, just for one CL game.

Great post

 

[halfcenturyup]

No. It's policy as I know our CEO believes we should pay more for watching a successful team. He even ignored Khaldoon's view that the fans were paying enough, back in 2017/18.

So I'm guessing we can expect reduced prices if we win nothing this season and finish outside the top four.

I also know he was also planning for an ESL, well before its short-lived announcement.

Can't shake the idea he is a ****.

 

[halfcenturyup]

I would rather he went than Txiki. He clearly has no empathy with City fans but we have to assume the board thinks he's doing a "good" job. However, somewhat surprisingly, he's not even on the City board, let alone CFG. That's strange in my opinion.

However we really shouldn't give our enemies in the media any more bullets than they already have. Yesterday was an example of how people escalated a situation that was certainly unfortunate, into an unnecessary crisis, without really understanding the background, or thinking of the consequences.

The media, particularly people like Harris and Delaney, definitely read these threads looking for sticks to beat us with.

Naah. Fuck it. Call a **** a **** like a good Mancunian should.

 

[Tim of the Oak]

Some Blues have got short memories. All those years we went to the swamp and were mocked. We sang, “ 35 years and we’re still here” loud and proud. This was before the “integrity of the points system” helped to ensure our fans were quiet at enemies grounds like Anfield and OT.

Their local fans were priced out decades ago. We know no match going Stretford Reds. Get a couple of pints in them and they are the same obnoxious rags they’ve always been.

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

I thought when you listed your ticket on the exchange it was guaranteed they would give you the money.
Mine didn't sell but know sign of any money.
Can't guarantee the tourists will buy them all after a few bad results.
Time to value the proper fans.
Time to stand together which ever club it is.
It's time to all come together.
Fans before tourists.

Normally you don't get the money unless it sells, but City Matters got a concession from the club that for certain games they'd guarantee a refund even if it didn't sell. Obviously that's just the bigger games.

City Matters, particularly the Ticketing working group, put a lot of time and effort into encouraging people to ensure their seats weren't empty if they couldn't attend. This was one of the suggestions, along with the text messages you get before games encouraging you to list or transfer your ticket if you don't plan to use it.

People mock these texts, or complain that the club "makes a profit on their seat" but at the end of the day it's the clubs' seats and, if the seat is listed on the exchange and sells, you get back what you paid for it and someone else gets to use it.

 

[East Level 2]

English football is going to implode soon. It’ll be like Serie A from the late 90s and 00s where ticket prices went through the roof and fans just stopped going.

I'll take this point in isolation: "The football bubble will soon burst" has been heard for at least 30 years, but English football has continued to grow during that time. I don't agree with the stupid increases in ticket prices, but the prospect of an implosion has been around for a long time and has yet to occur. Greedy club executives will try to screw as much out of the punters as they can until the last possible moment.
The newspapers were full of comments about the game being "all about money" when Alf Common became the first player to be transferred for £1,000 around 120 years ago. We hear the same refrain every time a significant transfer milestone is reached, but transfer prices continue to rise above inflation and the game continues to grow, at least at the elite level. We also heard the same comment when the maximum wage was scrapped in the early 60s and now wages for top players are truly astronomical.
The only significant relaxation by the clubs has been the PL putting a cap of £30 for away fans, but some clubs get round this by allowing third-party touting agencies to buy these tickets and sell at a higher price. I'm sure the clubs must be getting some form of kick-back to facilitate this. - That £30 maximum was great when I was seeing most away games pre-Covid, but only applies in the Prem and several Championship sides were charging away fans more.
I feel sure an implosion will occur at some point, but if the next broadcast deal generates a higher income, then that implosion may be a long time coming.

 

[mexico1970]

I'll take this point in isolation: "The football bubble will soon burst" has been heard for at least 30 years, but English football has continued to grow during that time. I don't agree with the stupid increases in ticket prices, but the prospect of an implosion has been around for a long time and has yet to occur. Greedy club executives will try to screw as much out of the punters as they can until the last possible moment.
The newspapers were full of comments about the game being "all about money" when Alf Common became the first player to be transferred for £1,000 around 120 years ago. We hear the same refrain every time a significant transfer milestone is reached, but transfer prices continue to rise above inflation and the game continues to grow, at least at the elite level. We also heard the same comment when the maximum wage was scrapped in the early 60s and now wages for top players are truly astronomical.
The only significant relaxation by the clubs has been the PL putting a cap of £30 for away fans, but some clubs get round this by allowing third-party touting agencies to buy these tickets and sell at a higher price. I'm sure the clubs must be getting some form of kick-back to facilitate this. - That £30 maximum was great when I was seeing most away games pre-Covid, but only applies in the Prem and several Championship sides were charging away fans more.
I feel sure an implosion will occur at some point, but if the next broadcast deal generates a higher income, then that implosion may be a long time coming.

Except right now the actual cost of it is genuinely pricing out fans who have gone all of their lives, families are attending in smaller numbers, they are killing the game as we watch on a weekly rate.

It is WAY too expensive now, it's either going to reign it in or break IMHO. The football circle is one of obscene wealth and the players and executives are so far out of our reach they may as well be on another planet.

They are thinking of putting prices up again, just think about that?