Priced out?

[East Level 2]

Except right now the actual cost of it is genuinely pricing out fans who have gone all of their lives, families are attending in smaller numbers, they are killing the game as we watch on a weekly rate.

It is WAY too expensive now, it's either going to reign it in or break IMHO. The football circle is one of obscene wealth and the players and executives are so far out of our reach they may as well be on another planet.

They are thinking of putting prices up again, just think about that?

I agree people are genuinely being priced out and I'm lucky to be able to afford to attend, but the clubs don't care as those that are priced out can often be replaced by others, and short-term thinking means these "others" can be locals who may become regulars or tourists who won't care whether they head east or west when leaving Piccadilly station.
I hate the monetisation of fans, but the club aren't going to listen while they can take the piss with impunity.
And those at the top who are calling the shots are probably on salaries that will generate a great lifestyle even if they never work again once the bubble really bursts. That's why they don't give a stuff about the long term.

 

[mexico1970]

I agree people are genuinely being priced out and I'm lucky to be able to afford to attend, but the clubs don't care as those that are priced out can often be replaced by others, and short-term thinking means these "others" can be locals who may become regulars or tourists who won't care whether they head east or west when leaving Piccadilly station.
I hate the monetisation of fans, but the club aren't going to listen while they can take the piss with impunity.
And those at the top who are calling the shots are probably on salaries that will generate a great lifestyle even if they never work again once the bubble really bursts. That's why they don't give a stuff about the long term.

This is probably irrational but when I hear fans telling other fans to stay behind in the winter weather to clap and cheer the players off rather than making sure they are OK and have a long journey home I find it a little sycophantic, the players are walking into a central heated area for a warm shower and a bite to eat.

The longer it goes on it's getting more and more like the fucking hunger games :)

 

[eastlandsblue]

Had a big debate about this with two members of the red cartel. It started with the empty seats jibe. I normally look at them in bemusement. Because I go and they don’t.
Which his always my reply. On this occasion, I reminded both idiots that fans of all clubs are currently protesting about prices, so maybe they should look at it from that view point.
That some City fans take action and refuse to pay. Both started laughing and claimed it doesn’t matter for them, because they’ll alway have fans to fill the empty seats.
I just looked them in the face and told them they’re a pair of clowns, because that’s precisely the problem. While idiotic day trippers keep paying these prices. We’ll have this issue for years.

One rag fan who does go, told the pair of them to listen at what’s being said. Because he’s one of those fans who will be walking away from it soon because he’s being priced out

On I side note. Not having tourist on Tuesday night was quite refreshing and will have hopefully got some board members discussing prices

 

[mexico1970]

Had a big debate about this with two members of the red cartel. It started with the empty seats jibe. I normally look at them in bemusement. Because I go and they don’t.
Which his always my reply. On this occasion, I reminded both idiots that fans of all clubs are currently protesting about prices, so maybe they should look at it from that view point.
That some City fans take action and refuse to pay. Both started laughing and claimed it doesn’t matter for them, because they’ll alway have fans to fill the empty seats.
I just looked them in the face and told them they’re a pair of clowns, because that’s precisely the problem. While idiotic day trippers keep paying these prices. Red cartel clubs will have this issue for years.

One rag fan who does go, told the pair of them to listen at what’s being said. Because he’s one of those fans who will be walking away from it soon because he’s being priced out

On I side note. Not having tourist on Tuesday night was quite refreshing and will have hopefully got some board members discussing prices

I know one match going rag, that's all I know of. The rest of the rags view through remote control and even then mostly they can't be arsed.

Tourists ARE their fanbase, their rank and file. For them the Horse has bolted already.

 

[eastlandsblue]

I know one match going rag, that's all I know of. The rest of the rags view through remote control and even then mostly they can't be arsed.

Tourists ARE their fanbase, their rank and file. For them the Horse has bolted already.

Exactly. And their problem could one day be ours. Not selling out everyday is keeping the wolf away from our door to a certain point. Our prices at the moment are affordable to some of us ( just ) but our success is bringing in more tourist by the season

 

[mancboy]

Had a big debate about this with two members of the red cartel. It started with the empty seats jibe. I normally look at them in bemusement. Because I go and they don’t.
Which his always my reply. On this occasion, I reminded both idiots that fans of all clubs are currently protesting about prices, so maybe they should look at it from that view point.
That some City fans take action and refuse to pay. Both started laughing and claimed it doesn’t matter for them, because they’ll alway have fans to fill the empty seats.
I just looked them in the face and told them they’re a pair of clowns, because that’s precisely the problem. While idiotic day trippers keep paying these prices. We’ll have this issue for years.

One rag fan who does go, told the pair of them to listen at what’s being said. Because he’s one of those fans who will be walking away from it soon because he’s being priced out

On I side note. Not having tourist on Tuesday night was quite refreshing and will have hopefully got some board members discussing prices

theres a valuable lesson to be learned here, NEVER debate with the perenially stupid or rags or dippers they will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.

 

[hallsteve62]

I know one match going rag, that's all I know of. The rest of the rags view through remote control and even then mostly they can't be arsed.

Tourists ARE their fanbase, their rank and file. For them the Horse has bolted already.

He went to Leicester didn't he? ; )

 

[mexico1970]

Exactly. And their problem could one day be ours. Not selling out everyday is keeping the wolf away from our door to a certain point. Our prices at the moment are affordable to some of us ( just ) but our success is bringing in more tourist by the season

I'm surprised the club hasn't offered discounts for visa holding holidaymakers yet.

 

[mexico1970]

Yep, doesn’t matter who anyone supports when it comes to this. Fans have to take a stand and do it together as one before it’s too late.

English football is going to implode soon. It’ll be like Serie A from the late 90s and 00s where ticket prices went through the roof and fans just stopped going.

Juventus used to get about 25,000 in their old Stadio Delle Alpi which held 70,000. There was a Turin derby in that stadium that had an attendance of just 19,000 in 2003… and Juve got to the CL final that season. That stadium was only built in 1990 and ended up being knocked down in 2009. It was newer than the Etihad is now when it was demolished.

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Even the two best supported clubs: Inter and Milan; struggled with 36,000ish average attendances in their 80,000 San Siro at times in the mid 2010s.

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Roma v Sampdoria in 2014:
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Clubs priced out their fans, fans stopped going, huge stadiums were empty, TV companies stopped buying their TV rights and the clubs were skint. Only 2 Italian teams have won the CL since 2003, and none in the last 14 years.

It’s slowly starting to get better in Serie A now. The Milan clubs are back getting 72,000 average attendances. It’s probably the second best quality league in Europe behind the PL now. But it had two decades where it ate itself and was in a terrible mess for what was once the greatest league in the world that everyone wanted to watch.

Yet even now they are showing they haven’t learnt their lesson: look at the attendance between Milan and Liverpool earlier this season in the CL: 58,000, 22,000 empty seats when their Serie A attendances are over 70,000… all because they tried to cash-in. Tickets were said to start at €125 for home fans. That’s half a season ticket in the Bundesliga, just for one CL game.

Did Italy have a shedload of tourists going to their games when they were at their peak? And when they declined did it take a decade or so to entice the real fans back?

 

[Kippaxian]

That's a good point.

I do have NFC on my phone but it never works for some reason getting into the ground so I've taken to just shoving my phone in the hole with the barcode showing.

Once inside someone behind the bar has to 'blip' me as my NFC isn't turned on to get my normal SC discount.

Might be a faff getting in against the rags if as I believe we are getting the credit in SS3 then.

Mines the same but it's due to the phone case I have. I use the barcode all the time as can't be arsed taking it out of its Tonka Case.