Priti Vacant has a plan, a deal with migrants plan.

[ChicagoBlue]

Personally, I would welcome a world where people are free to live and work wherever they wish. We are citizens of the earth and where we are born is simply the luck of the draw.

There are 5.5m UK nationals living and working abroad, permanently, and I cannot stand the hypocrisy that says that is okay but we don't want them here.

“Citizens of earth”! Love it! :-)

Did those 5.5M Brits walk off the train/boat/plane and say, “Love it! I’m staying!” or did they have to jump through a few hoops in the legal system of the country in which they decided they were suddenly going to live?

As one of those 5.5M, I can tell you a fair few hoops I had to jump through, but I digress.

What should the UK do?
You appear to think open borders and changing the name of the country to “England of Earth” would be preferable to a legal process of asylum or legal migration. Do I have that correct?

Some UK GOVT PROVIDED FACTS to “flesh out” your 5.5M quote:

UK migration

There are two main ways of measuring the migration of people:
1) flows across an international border, and
2) the stock of people living in a particular country who are not nationals of that country or who were born abroad.

In the year ending March 2020:
715,000 people migrated into the UK and 403,000 people emigrated from it, leaving a net migration figure of 313,000.

In the year ending December 2019:
6.2 million people were living in the UK who had the nationality of a different country (9% of the total population),
3.7 million EU nationals were living in the UK, and
994,000 UK nationals were living in other EU countries excluding Ireland.

***The number of people migrating to the UK has been greater than the number emigrating since 1994.***

For much of the twentieth century, the numbers migrating to and from the UK were roughly in balance, and from the 1960s to the early 1990s the number of emigrants was often greater than the number of immigrants.

Over the last twenty-five years, both immigration and emigration have increased to historically high levels, with immigration exceeding emigration by more than 100,000 in every year since 1998.
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This means that approximately 25% of UK population growth over the last quarter century has been from IMMIGRATION.

 

[ChicagoBlue]

You seem to be missing refugee in your list.

I didn’t see the word “refugee” used in the OP to which I responded. Do you?

And, it’s not my list.

I’m interested in knowing a few things:

WHO IS ALLOWED INTO THE UK TO LIVE AND WORK?

WHY?

WHO DECIDES?

HOW DO THEY MAKE IT FAIR IF EVERYONE ISN’T READILY ACCEPTED?

These seem like somewhat difficult, and changing, often moral dilemmas that we distilled into “cold, hard life back in the old war torn country” versus “4 yrs in prison with 3 square and a roof over your head” if you dare step foot in Blighty.

I was looking for “the right answer.”

What SHOULD Britain do, because it seems a very attractive home to many many people from all over the world and one wonders why that might be, given the many problems I read about daily on here and in the British media.

 

[ChicagoBlue]

The saddest part, for me, is that this is being used because it is a vote winner. I cannot help but feel revulsion at that.

Democracy sucks, doesn’t it?!

However, the really good thing is that if revulsion is the widespread response, then everything will be great and the cynical nature of the policy will have backfired, as your fellow citizens use their voice to denounce the repulsive plan.

Right?

 

[waspish]

Am sure 99% of these people desperate to come here would work there bollocks of in jobs that are hard to fill.. main problems is the infrastructure of the Country schools are full housing is short supply especially cheaper housing..

 

[ChicagoBlue]

They are not illegal immigrants, they are asylum seekers.

Wait till they cotton on to the extent of immigration from Hong Kong.

As you may notice, that term was nowhere to be had in the OP.

Migrants without permission is NOT synonymous with asylum SEEKER.

Lastly, if you “seek” should ye automatically “receive”?

If so, simply open the border.
If not, the questions I asked remain.

 

[blueparrot]

I didn’t see the word “refugee” used in the OP to which I responded. Do you?

And, it’s not my list.

I’m interested in knowing a few things:

WHO IS ALLOWED INTO THE UK TO LIVE AND WORK?

WHY?

WHO DECIDES?

HOW DO THEY MAKE IT FAIR IF EVERYONE ISN’T READILY ACCEPTED?

These seem like somewhat difficult, and changing, often moral dilemmas that we distilled into “cold, hard life back in the old war torn country” versus “4 yrs in prison with 3 square and a roof over your head” if you dare step foot in Blighty.

I was looking for “the right answer.”

What SHOULD Britain do, because it seems a very attractive home to many many people from all over the world and one wonders why that might be, given the many problems I read about daily on here and in the British media.

And posters have given you opinions on what should happen. You don't like them, that's up to you.These people families arriving in boats have to be taken in.The question then is how are they treated while decisions are made on their futures. Think there are more humane ways than locking them up myself.

 

[ChicagoBlue]

Am sure 99% of these people desperate to come here would work there bollocks of in jobs that are hard to fill.. main problems is the infrastructure of the Country schools are full housing is short supply especially cheaper housing..

If this is true, then put them to work building affordable homes and schools.
Problem meet solution.
But what if they don’t want to do that? What if the widow has fled with her eight children from her war torn country because the male provider was killed? Is it fair to ask her to give up raising her right children to be a brickie?

What POLICY should be in place to provide the “permission to migrate” (to use OP language), and what can you do to enforce it?

Or, do you simply open the border to all citizens of earth and stop being hypocritical, as one poster noted?

 

[SWP's back]

Personally, I would welcome a world where people are free to live and work wherever they wish.

But you haven’t thought that through though. Whilst it’s a lovely “idea”, in reality it means that you won’t have a job as there are 1,000 people that would do your job for 1/3rd of your wage because you, like I, were lucky enough to not be born into a war torn country with 70% unemployment.

 

[ChicagoBlue]

And posters have given you opinions on what should happen. You don't like them, that's up to you.These people families arriving in boats have to be taken in.The question then is how are they treated while decisions are made on their futures. Think there are more humane ways than locking them up myself.

I have not read those opinions, and I’ve followed the thread meticulously.

Please elucidate.

 

[bluethrunthru]

“Citizens of earth”! Love it! :-)

Did those 5.5M Brits walk off the train/boat/plane and say, “Love it! I’m staying!” or did they have to jump through a few hoops in the legal system of the country in which they decided they were suddenly going to live?

As one of those 5.5M, I can tell you a fair few hoops I had to jump through, but I digress.

What should the UK do?
You appear to think open borders and changing the name of the country to “England of Earth” would be preferable to a legal process of asylum or legal migration. Do I have that correct?

until we left the EU and cancelled our own FoM I had 27 other counties I could simply have travelled to and said " Love it !! I am staying" because it was my legal right to do so.