Priti Vacant has a plan, a deal with migrants plan.

[i kne albert davy]

wouldn't that rely on French authorities allowing UK Border Force vessels to dock with the expressed reason to off load migrants? If they say "non" what do they do? With hold payments to the French? Then the French just say "non" more often........we have painted ourselves into this corner

Maybe we could hire the Greek coast guard they seem to have the knack of gently convincing god knows who that Greece isn't the place for them.

 

[Octavian]

by things off Twitter you mean like news outlets like the Express, BBC and SKY News for example? Or are you saying I am making facts up?

I can tell what you spend all day doing, you’re following certain Twitter accounts regurgitating articles that support your opinion and you then post every single one. Some will be correct, some bollocks, like all outlets.

I’d prefer to have a joke once in a while.

 

[bluethrunthru]

I can tell what you spend all day doing, you’re following certain Twitter accounts regurgitating articles that support your opinion and you then post every single one. Some will be correct, some bollocks, like all outlets.

I’d prefer to have a joke once in a while.

word of advice - its not compulsory to respond - now troll on like a good 'un eh?

 

[Octavian]

word of advice - its not compulsory to respond - now troll on like a good 'un eh?

You asked me a question mucker.

It’s ok to disagree and it’s ok to have a laugh.

Remember those two things and our new found communications will go smoother.

 

[patrickkinney]

The attraction of the UK will be family and existing community ties. Language will be a factor but most refugees do not come to the UK. Last year Germany accepted 128k, Spain 124k, France 90k. We had 30k applications and not all are accepted. The UK barely makes the top twenty of European countries for refugees when adjusted for size of population.

And yes this all hot air because hot air is all we have left. Without the agreement of other countries we are reduced to dreaming up increasingly bizarre and desperate solutions. See also giant wave machines to repel dinghies and the Clandestine Channel Threat Commander shaking his fist at the sea on the beaches of Dover.

I agree, some of these ideas have been quite bonkers, but what I don't understand is this: Australia had a migrant problem (by sea routes too) and they solved it.... they processed attempted illegal entrants in offshore-detention facilities on two Pacific Island nations, Nauru and Papua New Guinea (PNG). Apparently conditions there were quite appalling.

Do you ever hear about Australia breaking 'maritime laws' whist dealing with this issue? I never have.

Do the migrants jump into the sea rather than risk a stay on Nauru....? (people say that migrants from France will threaten that, if we try the 'push-back' strategy) I haven't heard of any.

Yet is Australia considered a pariah on the world stage for taking a no-nonsense stance (and this was before Covid-19, by-the-way) on this issue? I don't think so.

Why has the UK tiptoed forward over the last 2 summers? instead of taking positive action which could actually have saved live in the long run, by decreasing the number of unsafe journeys that are attempted - especially as the weather will most likely be turning soon.

 

[bluethrunthru]

You asked me a question mucker.

It’s ok to disagree and it’s ok to have a laugh.

Remember those two things and our new found communications will go smoother.

shushhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

 

[BobKowalski]

I agree, some of these ideas have been quite bonkers, but what I don't understand is this: Australia had a migrant problem (by sea routes too) and they solved it.... they processed attempted illegal entrants in offshore-detention facilities on two Pacific Island nations, Nauru and Papua New Guinea (PNG). Apparently conditions there were quite appalling.

Do you ever hear about Australia breaking 'maritime laws' whist dealing with this issue? I never have.

Do the migrants jump into the sea rather than risk a stay on Nauru....? (people say that migrants from France will threaten that, if we try the 'push-back' strategy) I haven't heard of any.

Yet is Australia considered a pariah on the world stage for taking a no-nonsense stance (and this was before Covid-19, by-the-way) on this issue? I don't think so.

Why has the UK tiptoed forward over the last 2 summers? instead of taking positive action which could actually have saved live in the long run, by decreasing the number of unsafe journeys that are attempted - especially as the weather will most likely be turning soon.

Because Australia has legal agreements with these territories to fund and operate these centres which have been the subject of human rights abuses, beatings, riots and deaths and to which journalists are denied entry.

If we had a legal agreement with France to return refugees we would do so. But we muffed that up with Brexit and are now outside the Dublin Regulation and no one is interested in doing a similar deal with us.

And yes, the Australian approach with its ‘camps’ has received a lot of international and domestic condemnation.

 

[BobKowalski]

Not really - if, to follow my argument through: UK border force approaches a dinghy with a view to pushing it back to France, but the occupants take to the water and are rescued & then the border force vessel then takes them to the nearest French beach or port, what would be so wrong with that? Sounds harsh for that specific group I know, but if it saves lives in the long-run.... that's good, yes?

If as you are hinting, the French tried to prevent that disembarkation (of desperate cold/wet people recently pulled from the channel), well who are the bad guys then? But it needs testing out, well it needed testing out about six months ago - as I said earlier: summer is almost over and the pandemic is hopefully on the decline - so all this stuff in the news the last couple of days, is just the same as all the other stuff: empty words.

A UK border force vessel entering French waters with the intention of dumping people illegally on French soil would be considered an aggressive act. Likely the ship would be impounded and the crew arrested.

UK official vessels can’t just swan into another country’s territorial waters and do what they like. The world doesn’t work that way.

 

[BobKowalski]

Here is a completely unbiased source for anyone who wants to see the context of claims vs reality: https://fullfact.org/immigration/how-many-refugees-does-uk-take/

That is informative. Good link. Especially as it backs up my point :)

 

[NPBlue]

A UK border force vessel entering French waters with the intention of dumping people illegally on French soil would be considered an aggressive act. Likely the ship would be impounded and the crew arrested.

UK official vessels can’t just swan into another country’s territorial waters and do what they like. The world doesn’t work that way.

No, it doesn't, and we can't ignore the fact we are members of the United Nations and there are clearly written obligations regarding the treatment of immigrants arriving on our shores we have agreed to abide by. We are currently observing those obligations.

Priti Patel can try and appease the ignorant all she likes with her populist crap appealing to the 'get the Royal Navy to shoot them out of the water' elderly readers of the Daily Mail and Express, but there is nothing we can realistically do to stop them coming here, and we have legal and internationally binding agreements to abide by.