Priti Vacant has a plan, a deal with migrants plan.

[NPBlue]

I worked in a building years ago that had a company helping refugees that had been granted status to stay in the UK. They gave them all the support they needed so they could become assimilated, whatever was required. IT skills, learning the language, whatever. Anyway, I used to smoke in those days, we had to go outside, and it was humbling listening to their stories as we puffed away.

One I remember in particular was a man from Africa. I don't remember which country he was from, but he said this to me.

' All of my family have been killed. I was lucky to escape. My sister ended up in New York and I ended up here. I'm grateful the UK has accepted me, but I don't want to be here. I want to be back home with my family, but that's not going to happen. It can't'.

There were tears in his eyes when he told me that, and he wasn't the first or the last refugee I spoke to that had suffered such trauma in their lives.

I don't know where to start with Patel. She want's them dead? Left to rot on a beach somewhere?

It's beyond inhumane. It's evil.

They are people, human beings with feelings and aspirations. Let's give them the chance to integrate and fulfill their potential, not kill them or leave them to drown.

 

[Mike D]

Great piece in the FT on this (sorry can't post its behind a paywall) but the intended or unitended consequences are quite alarming. It says if you look at the policy itself its actually all about salary and what you earn. So if you're a nurse of HGV lorry driver you're classed as low skilled because you fall under the £24.5k.
In theory everything over the threshold is classed as skilled. So Jonny foreignor can only come and compete for these so called high skilled jobs or more accurately better paid.
Thus making this policy is not about levelling up its about pushing people down into lower paid jobs because you there is more competition in the skilled (jobs over £24.5k).
Interesting take and and one I'd not thought of in detail until now.

 

[Len Rum]

Absolutely virus!

 

[mackenzie]

I worked in a building years ago that had a company helping refugees that had been granted status to stay in the UK. They gave them all the support they needed so they could become assimilated, whatever was required. IT skills, learning the language, whatever. Anyway, I used to smoke in those days, we had to go outside, and it was humbling listening to their stories as we puffed away.

One I remember in particular was a man from Africa. I don't remember which country he was from, but he said this to me.

' All of my family have been killed. I was lucky to escape. My sister ended up in New York and I ended up here. I'm grateful the UK has accepted me, but I don't want to be here. I want to be back home with my family, but that's not going to happen. It can't'.

There were tears in his eyes when he told me that, and he wasn't the first or the last refugee I spoke to that had suffered such trauma in their lives.

I don't know where to start with Patel. She want's them dead? Left to rot on a beach somewhere?

It's beyond inhumane. It's evil.

They are people, human beings with feelings and aspirations. Let's give them the chance to integrate and fulfill their potential, not kill them or leave them to drown.

They certainly are.
I've had 2 cases that, in particular, stayed with me over the years.
One was a man from Iraq. A teacher who had been imprisoned by the regime when in his late 40s. When he was finally released his whole family had 'disappeared.' He came here with absolutely nothing left, but asked me if I could advise him on how to get new glasses....I think the joy of reading was the only thing he had.
More recently a Syrian mother (who had been a lawyer) and her 18 year old daughter. The daughter has chronic PTSD, can't imagine what she witnessed as a child.

A colleague of mine was a primary school teacher until a couple of years ago. She said that some of the refugee children, if they saw or heard an airplane flying overhead, would cower and visibly shake. Some of them were absolutely terrified.

 

[hilts]

They certainly are.
I've had 2 cases that, in particular, stayed with me over the years.
One was a man from Iraq. A teacher who had been imprisoned by the regime when in his late 40s. When he was finally released his whole family had 'disappeared.' He came here with absolutely nothing left, but asked me if I could advise him on how to get new glasses....I think the joy of reading was the only thing he had.
More recently a Syrian mother (who had been a lawyer) and her 18 year old daughter. The daughter has chronic PTSD, can't imagine what she witnessed as a child.

A colleague of mine was a primary school teacher until a couple of years ago. She said that some of the refugee children, if they saw or heard an airplane flying overhead, would cower and visibly shake. Some of them were absolutely terrified.

It’s a shit world we live in it really is

 

[mackenzie]

It’s a shit world we live in it really is

There's a lot of good in it still, but the atrocities being committed are there too. We have it good in this country, by and large, as in most western countries. If that was me in some parts of the world then I'd want to get out too.

 

[hilts]

There's a lot of good in it still, but the atrocities being committed are there too. We have it good in this country, by and large, as in most western countries. If that was me in some parts of the world then I'd want to get out too.

I probably have a lower view of humans than you do. I would imagine the number of people living in say parts and of Africa and the Middle East as examples(will be plenty of others) that would want to reside in Europe would be huge. The only answer is make where they live better but the chances of this happening are nil. God knows what the answer is.

 

[mackenzie]

I probably have a lower view of humans than you do. I would imagine the number of people living in say parts and of Africa and the Middle East as examples(will be plenty of others) that would want to reside in Europe would be huge. The only answer is make where they live better but the chances of this happening are nil. God knows what the answer is.

I agree.

 

[Vic]

I probably have a lower view of humans than you do. I would imagine the number of people living in say parts and of Africa and the Middle East as examples(will be plenty of others) that would want to reside in Europe would be huge. The only answer is make where they live better but the chances of this happening are nil. God knows what the answer is.

Well, the developed world is making many of those places uninhabitable, with wars and global warming, so we're making it worse.

Edit.. (Actually, God may know what the answer is: "Do to others as you would have them do to you".)

 

[hilts]

Well, the developed world is making many of those places uninhabitable, with wars and global warming, so we're making it worse.

Yep I agree