Priti Vacant has a plan, a deal with migrants plan.

[Ifwecouldjust.......]

I didn’t believe this could be true. But it is. I checked and claiming asylum in the UK is a joke, it even states your claim might be considered unlikely if you arrive from a safe country.

The process is the problem here, it’s impossible to get in otherwise - it needs to be much easier and fairer to request to come here then folks won’t be arriving in dingy’s. Thanks for educating me @Ifwecouldjust....... I’m genuinely appalled.

... Corect the process is the problem. I personally am not in favour of 'open borders' but believe that if we have signed up to various international agreements such as the UN Refugee Convention and EU FOM then we should honour them .

If we don't like the result then we should legislate to get those rules changed... We should not be trying to circumvent those agreements or break them as the current Home Office minister is proposing.

We are a rules based nation and should honour those rules

 

[jacko74]

We had the lowest Welfare payments and State Pensions in the Eu. We all get the rawest deal. But lets focus on people on benefits or single mums with kids shall we? Cos that gives us someone to hate. Lets not focus on the companies who avoid or evade tax or hide it off shore. Lets not focus on why the Tories have gutted the HMRC team who investigate corporate taxation avoidance but boosted the team that investigates that tax submissions of the average self employed worker.

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Perhaps we should form a coalition, you can target the culture of enabling the corporate and wealthy tax dodgers (could you please start with a certain Mr Rashford) and I'll target the culture of rewarding feckless wasters with the equivalent of the take home pay of £30k+ wages just for doing nothing but sitting around and breeding... the whole of society would benefit, everyone's a winner.

 

[NeilYoungIsBack]

We had the lowest Welfare payments and State Pensions in the Eu. We all get the rawest deal. But lets focus on people on benefits or single mums with kids shall we? Cos that gives us someone to hate. Lets not focus on the companies who avoid or evade tax or hide it off shore. Lets not focus on why the Tories have gutted the HMRC team who investigate corporate taxation avoidance but boosted the team that investigates that tax submissions of the average self employed worker.

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The title of that chart appears to be deliberately misleading. There is a huge difference between avoiding tax and evading tax.

e.g. Many of us avoid tax quite legally by contributing to a pension scheme and by putting savings and investments into an ISA.

 

[Vic]

The title of that chart appears to be deliberately misleading. There is a huge difference between avoiding tax and evading tax.

e.g. Many of us avoid tax quite legally by contributing to a pension scheme and by putting savings and investments into an ISA.

If I could avoid tax like Amazon does, I'd need a bit more than a £20,000 ISA for my profits.

 

[BobKowalski]

Just a point of order, I believe it’s only the illegal immigrants they have the ability to lock up for up to 4 years. Not immigrants in general. It’s surely also going to be for magistrates/judges to pass custodial sentences so given their reluctance to send some right wrong ‘uns to prison as it is I doubt we will see many an illegal immigrant serving time. So it does strike me as a policy designed to appear tough but in practice offering no greater solutions than we have today.

I quite like the ability to send the traffickers to prison for life mind.

You are correct that a lot of this is for show, most of what the Govt is for show and good headlines, rather than sustainable policy. But, it isn’t just traffickers, there is no ‘for financial gain’ provision‘. Anyone who helps someone seeking entry into the UK will be subject to prosecution. If the RNLI pick up the occupants of a sinking dinghy in the Channel and bring them ashore they will be breaking the law.

Anyone who helps someone claim asylum in the UK will be breaking the law. It doesn’t have to be for financial gain. Technically, giving advice on how to claim asylum will be illegal.

 

[metalblue]

You are correct that a lot of this is for show, most of what the Govt is for show and good headlines, rather than sustainable policy. But, it isn’t just traffickers, there is no ‘for financial gain’ provision‘. Anyone who helps someone seeking entry into the UK will be subject to prosecution. If the RNLI pick up the occupants of a sinking dinghy in the Channel and bring them ashore they will be breaking the law.

Anyone who helps someone claim asylum in the UK will be breaking the law. It doesn’t have to be for financial gain. Technically, giving advice on how to claim asylum will be illegal.

That’s an interesting take on it. I was going to say that common sense would prevail but the law is reason, unaffected by desire. It certainly has the potential to create conflict.

Ultimately rather than sound bites politics about 4 years banged up it seems a fairly easy solution would be to allow people to claim asylum/right of settlement if already granted asylum in another safe country from any British embassy. I can’t see that as being anything other than acceptable to the majority of us in this country.

 

[stonerblue]

Oh, “boat people” you say? Mon dieu, they must be the most destitute of them all.

Open the door and let them in! Give them what they need to feel comfy and get settled.

That’s definitely one course of action that struggling Brits and lifelong tax payers might rally behind, however, it appears not all….

What’s the PRACTICAL, LEGAL ANSWER to 2000 per day by sea?

For context, that’s the equivalent of 1 D Day invasion of British Troops EVERY MONTH on BRITISH shores!

not 2000 a day.

 

[bluethrunthru]

 

[stonerblue]

I'm 53 and as for "share" the responsibilities. Why?

Because we're part of the problem.

 

[moggymoz]

Because we're part of the problem.

You're right because they get everything when they arrive, as I've had to work all my adult life to just about survive...