We will never know but they have now made that decision even if it is through gritted teeth.i’ve not had a chance to read the entire statement but it does leave me wondering that if the club were always intending to put 4000 season ticket holders into the new stand as they say, I’m fairly sure they would’ve said that previously either to City (doesn't) Matters or in the wider public domain?
I think you've misread the statement. They've said it twice in the announcement and the second statement is clear:Not necessarily true that it will be 4000 because they've said there will also be relocations from other areas too. It's also worth pointing out that all the new "season tickets" start off as Flexi-Gold with an option to transform to a proper season ticket but only if they attend 16 out of 19 games in the 2026/27 season.
I agree about the empty seats.I think you've misread the statement. They've said it twice in the announcement and the second statement is clear:
"and that the majority of the additional GA seating capacity will be held by Season Ticket Members, through the release of new Season Tickets. "
I think the Gold Plus is actually a very good idea and a step in the right detection to combat empty seats. It simply means if you want to have a ticket for all 19 matches you've got to prove you'll go to at least 16 of them first.
However, this will do nothing to combat touts. I would like the club to have a scheme where season ticket holders can buy a ticket off a tout/3rd party website and then report it to the club for a full reimbursement. Then the club should open a dialogue with the original purchaser of the ticket and sue them if necessary for the costs involved. Who would sell a ticket to a tout or 3rd party website if they might lose their ticket and get sued for a few hundred quid? If you can't go or pass on your ticket to a mate sell it back to the club. Any touts with tickets would soon be outed. By sueing them you help find the scheme.
Just like when they said they were always intending never to impose the disabled parking charge on all disabled ST holders. They must think that we were all born yesterday! Fact of the matter is that they've been influenced by fan pressure but they'll never admit that.i’ve not had a chance to read the entire statement but it does leave me wondering that if the club were always intending to put 4000 season ticket holders into the new stand as they say, I’m fairly sure they would’ve said that previously either to City (doesn't) Matters or in the wider public domain?
Surely then you should be seeking clarity and guidance from City Matters before any decision to go ahead or not.Would seem a sensible path to me.The club defines flexis as season tickets there is no clarity on the breakdown of the proposed changes.
I agree that it appears clear but the original plan was for 3000 Flexi Golds so have they definitely upped it to 4000? Or is it 3000+1000 relocations? If it's 4000 new, then how many relocations are they allowing?I think you've misread the statement. They've said it twice in the announcement and the second statement is clear:
"and that the majority of the additional GA seating capacity will be held by Season Ticket Members, through the release of new Season Tickets. "
I think the Gold Plus is actually a very good idea and a step in the right detection to combat empty seats. It simply means if you want to have a ticket for all 19 matches you've got to prove you'll go to at least 16 of them first.
However, this will do nothing to combat touts. I would like the club to have a scheme where season ticket holders can buy a ticket off a tout/3rd party website and then report it to the club for a full reimbursement. Then the club should open a dialogue with the original purchaser of the ticket and sue them if necessary for the costs involved. Who would sell a ticket to a tout or 3rd party website if they might lose their ticket and get sued for a few hundred quid? If you can't go or pass on your ticket to a mate sell it back to the club. Any touts with tickets would soon be outed. By sueing them you help fund the scheme.
And what's wrong with a flexi? If you intend to our want to go to as many matches as possible and hit the threshold of 16 games then you can convert it one year later to a full season ticket, so it's a pathway. If you only go to say 9 matches with it you shouldn't be a season ticket holder, and you get penalised by losing (19-9)*£175/19 = £92. It's hardly a sledgehammer but will influence some to go one way or the other ie commit to go more regularly or give it up and let someone else have it?The club defines flexis as season tickets there is no clarity on the breakdown of the proposed changes.
No that's not right. "and that the majority of the additional GA seating capacity will be held by Season Ticket Members, through the release of new Season Tickets. "I’m always suspicious when I see words like “predominantly” and “majority” being used without quoting actual numbers. “Majority” simply means 50% plus one. So, if the capacity of the new stand is (say) 8000 then only 4001 need to be season cards. How many season card holders were relocated due to the construction and will be moved back ? How many existing season card holders will ask to be moved there ? This could easily be more than 4001 so “majority” achieved without a single new season card being issued.
I have a simple question for the Club. If there are 36000 season cards now when the stadium has a capacity of 54,000 (all numbers approximate) how many season cards will there when the capacity is 61,000 ?
How many do you reckon it would've been if there had been no campaigning and no protests? Do you think season ticket prices would've been frozen?So, 500 new ST's next season and another 4,000 when the new stand is open and the usual miserable buggers are still whingeing? Yep, sounds like Bluemoan to me.
See my above point about match day ticketsSo, 500 new ST's next season and another 4,000 when the new stand is open and the usual miserable buggers are still whingeing? Yep, sounds like Bluemoan to me.
So, 500 new ST's next season and another 4,000 when the new stand is open and the usual miserable buggers are still whingeing? Yep, sounds like Bluemoan to me.
Yes,it does say that. Then it goes on to say that all the new tickets will be Flexi Gold.No that's not right. "and that the majority of the additional GA seating capacity will be held by Season Ticket Members, through the release of new Season Tickets. "
It plainly says "4,000 NEW STs". I'd guess that existing STs get the chance to move first as previously and then the new STs get their chance. Not all of the new STs holders will want to be in the North stand anyway, and neither will existing STs want to move there, it doesn't read to me as the North stand or nowhere.I’m always suspicious when I see words like “predominantly” and “majority” being used without quoting actual numbers. “Majority” simply means 50% plus one. So, if the capacity of the new stand is (say) 8000 then only 4001 need to be season cards. How many season card holders were relocated due to the construction and will be moved back ? How many existing season card holders will ask to be moved there ? This could easily be more than 4001 so “majority” achieved without a single new season card being issued.
I have a simple question for the Club. If there are 36000 season cards now when the stadium has a capacity of 54,000 (all numbers approximate) how many season cards will there when the capacity is 61,000 ?
See my above point about match day tickets
£223 for a family of four for CAT A matches - scandalous pricing - they’re not in the real world.
Which is refunded in full if the holder can be arsed getting off their backsides is it not?Exactly.
No match day ticket price reductions.
No new normal season tickets.
The Flexi-Gold scam charge stays in place.
The 10 game must attend rule which wasn't discussed with the City Matters Reps stays in place.