Apparently it's only Sunny Muslims according to an ex RE teacher on Jeremy Vine on Friday. He said other Muslims have depictions of Allah in their walls, curtains etc. There's also a sect of Muslims that are allowed to drink alcohol. It's a very divisive religion and seemingly the rest of us have to learn about their religious nuances so we don't upset them, what a load of old bollocks. Many Christians don't like the use of blasphemous words but they are frequently used and I'm sure the really pious people get upset, however, they don't wish death on those that blaspheme.
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Protests outside a Batley School
- Thread starter Man-chester copperpot
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The rest of us do not especially have to learn about the nuanced of the faith but if you are teaching Islam it is a different case, IMO.Apparently it's only Sunny Muslims according to an ex RE teacher on Jeremy Vine on Friday. He said other Muslims have depictions of Allah in their walls, curtains etc. There's also a sect of Muslims that are allowed to drink alcohol. It's a very divisive religion and seemingly the rest of us have to learn about their religious nuances so we don't upset them, what a load of old bollocks. Many Christians don't like the use of blasphemous words but they are frequently used and I'm sure the really pious people get upset, however, they don't wish death on those that blaspheme.
PannickAtTheDisco
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Wouldn't it be nice if British Muslims stood together in opposition to these extremists, supported the school and the teacher and took to the streets to clamp down, with all religious leaders and figures of authority condemning the protests and promising to tackle Extremist elements in their communities?
Wishful thinking, dread to think what some of these folks have been plotting in their own homes for a year with no-one watching to target our public spaces when everything opens up and everyone unites to celebrate.
Wishful thinking, dread to think what some of these folks have been plotting in their own homes for a year with no-one watching to target our public spaces when everything opens up and everyone unites to celebrate.
Brightwell’s left peg
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I’m not a teacher, but the first (and possibly only) lesson for teaching Islam, presumably needs to be “kids, be on the safe side and don’t question anything, don’t say anything or show anything that may ultimately upset someone’s religious beliefs, no matter how ridiculous you may find them, because if you do and upset someone, it’s your fault”.The rest of us do not especially have to learn about the nuanced of the faith but if you are teaching Islam it is a different case, IMO.
“Like what sir?”
“I can’t show you, but trust me it will be bad if you do”
“Can you give us a couple of examples”
“No, not worth the risk...right, what do you want to talk about for the next hour”.
That is not my experience as, fortunately, children tend to be very open and accepting.I’m not a teacher, but the first (and possibly only) lesson for teaching Islam, presumably needs to be “kids, be on the safe side and don’t question anything, don’t say anything or show anything that may ultimately upset someone’s religious beliefs, no matter how ridiculous you may find them, because if you do and upset someone, it’s your fault”.
“Like what sir?”
“I can’t show you, but trust me it will be bad if you do”
“Can you give us a couple of examples”
“No, not worth the risk...right, what do you want to talk about for the next hour”.
PannickAtTheDisco
Well-Known Member
if we reach that point, we've lost everything we've worked for. If they can't handle their beliefs being challenged, joked about and disagreed with, then they aren't beliefs worth accommodating. Same with the fundamentalists in the South in the US, either come to the table with rational thought and the strength of your conviction in your beliefs to handle dissenting views with blowing people up, or jog on.I’m not a teacher, but the first (and possibly only) lesson for teaching Islam, presumably needs to be “kids, be on the safe side and don’t question anything, don’t say anything or show anything that may ultimately upset someone’s religious beliefs, no matter how ridiculous you may find them, because if you do and upset someone, it’s your fault”.
“Like what sir?”
“I can’t show you, but trust me it will be bad if you do”
“Can you give us a couple of examples”
“No, not worth the risk...right, what do you want to talk about for the next hour”.
Millions of young men and women didn't sacrifice themselves in 2 World Wars because we had the attitude of "don't challenge these beliefs, just be quiet and accept them".
Brightwell’s left peg
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Sorry mate, I’m not trying to be argumentative, but I’m not actually sure how what you’re saying here relates to what I posted?That is not my experience as, fortunately, children tend to be very open and accepting.
Because saying that shuts down the natural curiousity and openness that make lessons a joy and children so interesting to teach.Sorry mate, I’m not trying to be argumentative, but I’m not actually sure how what you’re saying here relates to what I posted?
Brightwell’s left peg
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Agree 100%. If saying something bad or denigrating a religion can’t be tolerated, then all you can ever do is talk about the good with out fear of reprisals. Kids being taught only the positive aspects of religion will be spoilt for choice for which one to choose.if we reach that point, we've lost everything we've worked for. If they can't handle their beliefs being challenged, joked about and disagreed with, then they aren't beliefs worth accommodating. Same with the fundamentalists in the South in the US, either come to the table with rational thought and the strength of your conviction in your beliefs to handle dissenting views with blowing people up, or jog on.
Millions of young men and women didn't sacrifice themselves in 2 World Wars because we had the attitude of "don't challenge these beliefs, just be quiet and accept them".
Brightwell’s left peg
Well-Known Member
No shit...exactly my point. But if I can’t talk openly and candidly about religion, it’s being shut down.Because saying that shuts down the natural curiousity and openness that make lessons a joy and children so interesting to teach.