pubs, comercial suicide

[SWP's back]

Dont mind paying over the odds for beer for the pub "experience". But the pop isn't even real pop, its bloody post mix. A big bag of syrup that must make the profit on a 2 quid drink around 1.98. It seems the issue YET AGAIN is rent costs. Greedy landlords would prefer to see their property boarded up before letting it out at a fair price. Scum

Well it depends on that as normally the franchise owns the actual property and they charge stupid rents knowing they can turn landlords over for fun while still making a profit
Im not sure how you can call someone charging what they can get for something they own scum. They are not legally bound to give you a pub a price you can afford, it is there property at the end of the day

Anything to do with property these days is evil. First there is valuations of property. Massively over priced. Rip off. Mortgages. With their small print, "arrangment fee's" etc rip off, people owning 10 properties when there arnt enough for everyone, rent costs being charged landlords charging what ever they want safe in the knowledge that no other landlord will compete with them because there arnt enough houses. Property is the biggest issue in our country and not one mainstream politician will address it. It's things like that which stop.people voting not this voter apathy they convince themselves of.

Bless.

It's not actually the rents that kill most pubs, it is the rates.

 

[BrianW]

Rents? I knew a very hard-working lad who was tenant in a pub, and made it pretty successful, selling more beer than before, running beer festivals and all the rest. The owner's reaction was not 'oh great, we've got a good tenant here' but instead 'this twat is making money - we'll put up the rent by by an incredibly stupid percentage.'

As a result, the business failed, and the lad got a debt of £60k or thereabouts. He is still working hard, driving a taxi for next to f-all a week. Great system they have in the pub trade.

I wouldn't touch a pub unless it was a free house, owned by me, with prospects to sell good food, and if I also had a bundle of cash in the bank to cover me if things went wrong. It's no wonder pub prices are high, and no wonder either that so many are closed.

 

[Ancient Citizen]

Rents? I knew a very hard-working lad who was tenant in a pub, and made it pretty successful, selling more beer than before, running beer festivals and all the rest. The owner's reaction was not 'oh great, we've got a good tenant here' but instead 'this twat is making money - we'll put up the rent by by an incredibly stupid percentage.'

As a result, the business failed, and the lad got a debt of £60k or thereabouts. He is still working hard, driving a taxi for next to f-all a week. Great system they have in the pub trade.

I wouldn't touch a pub unless it was a free house, owned by me, with prospects to sell good food, and if I also had a bundle of cash in the bank to cover me if things went wrong. It's no wonder pub prices are high, and no wonder either that so many are closed.

This is a recurring theme with a lot of pub tenants. I've seen many good publicans turn a boozer around and start to generate a good income, only for the rents to increase massively, added to obscene business rates from the councils.
It also seems that when one is boarded up, the owners are prepared to leave it like that, for years in some cases, until the council finally allows its' use as flats, or demolished for housing, thus making them a tidy profit.

 

[brass neck]

Rents? I knew a very hard-working lad who was tenant in a pub, and made it pretty successful, selling more beer than before, running beer festivals and all the rest. The owner's reaction was not 'oh great, we've got a good tenant here' but instead 'this twat is making money - we'll put up the rent by by an incredibly stupid percentage.'

As a result, the business failed, and the lad got a debt of £60k or thereabouts. He is still working hard, driving a taxi for next to f-all a week. Great system they have in the pub trade.

I wouldn't touch a pub unless it was a free house, owned by me, with prospects to sell good food, and if I also had a bundle of cash in the bank to cover me if things went wrong. It's no wonder pub prices are high, and no wonder either that so many are closed.

Disgusting. Pigs at the troff. Our country needs a big shake up. Balance tipped really badly!

 

[denislawsbackheel]

Wetherspoons in Oban.
2 glasses of red wine, 1 pint of African a Pale ale, 1 double Isle of Jura for less than £9.50.

 

[bammy blue]

The landlord at the pub just down the road from me is leaving at the end of next month. On the local grapevine its been rumoured that the brewery (Robinsons) want £35,000 up front off the next interested party, then £600 a week rent and all your rates on top of that! If that's true then its scandalous, no wonder so many places are going to the wall! The only way to make money in the pub game is if your are able to get a place that isn't tied to a brewery and can get your beer's and spirits free trade.

 

[Challenger1978]

Well it depends on that as normally the franchise owns the actual property and they charge stupid rents knowing they can turn landlords over for fun while still making a profit
Im not sure how you can call someone charging what they can get for something they own scum. They are not legally bound to give you a pub a price you can afford, it is there property at the end of the day

You don't know what the hell your talking about.

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.newstatesman.com/blogs/the-staggers/2012/03/pub-tied-rent-dodds-beer" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.newstatesman.com/blogs/the-s ... dodds-beer</a>

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2012/mar/18/pub-debt-publicans-pain-pubcos" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfre ... ain-pubcos</a>

Punch are utter utter bastards and are completely bent from top to bottom.<br /><br />-- Thu Apr 17, 2014 3:00 pm --<br /><br />

The landlord at the pub just down the road from me is leaving at the end of next month. On the local grapevine its been rumoured that the brewery (Robinsons) want £35,000 up front off the next interested party, then £600 a week rent and all your rates on top of that! If that's true then its scandalous, no wonder so many places are going to the wall! The only way to make money in the pub game is if your are able to get a place that isn't tied to a brewery and can get your beer's and spirits free trade.

The pubs aren't tied to the breweries any more (due to an EU ruling) it's 3rd party pubco's that have majorly fucked everything up.

 

[r.soleofsalford]

Would be closer to £8 round my way.

where Harpurhey ?

 

[TCIB]

If i do go out now which is rare, either with stony or Mark i just take a fistfull of cash and do not ask the price, if i did i would be gutted.

Got asked for 12 of my pounds for a single remy martin and coke, fair enough it was a posh bar but then to taste it and find it is pepsi was to much.
I explained if i am paying that much i want the drink i asked for and not a "similar substitute".

Another place charged 9 quid for a "fresh orange" and grey goose, server came back with vodka and some sparkling orange type pop in it.
I said that is not fresh orange and the reply was "it is orange juice" to which i explained that right above their fucking head it specifically states "fresh squeezed orange" and asked does squeezing a robinsons bottle constitute that.
If i buy a 12 quid brandy and coke i expect remy martin and a glass bottle of coke, not post mix fucking pepsi.

Never ask a hotel to leave some bubbly in your room in southport, the **** never left it and when i went to get it was given a half bottle of sparkling wine.
I fucking lost it and slammed my bill down and said in no uncertain terms if they charge me for a 50 quid bottle of bollinger then i fucking well expect a 50 quid bottle of bollinger, not a duty manager who didn't know his arse from his fucking elbow.

I was a top cocktail barman in my day, very polite and always on the ball, nowadays half of them are to thick to work a till.

 

[Challenger1978]

Rents? I knew a very hard-working lad who was tenant in a pub, and made it pretty successful, selling more beer than before, running beer festivals and all the rest. The owner's reaction was not 'oh great, we've got a good tenant here' but instead 'this twat is making money - we'll put up the rent by by an incredibly stupid percentage.'

As a result, the business failed, and the lad got a debt of £60k or thereabouts. He is still working hard, driving a taxi for next to f-all a week. Great system they have in the pub trade.

I wouldn't touch a pub unless it was a free house, owned by me, with prospects to sell good food, and if I also had a bundle of cash in the bank to cover me if things went wrong. It's no wonder pub prices are high, and no wonder either that so many are closed.

That sounds about right for a pubco. I'm remember when one of my brother in laws pub got took over around 9 years ago. Punch (the owning pubco) told him to put up his prices from around £2 a pint for Carling up to £5 for a pint of Carling. Just so he could pay the extra 100k a year in rent and cover the near doubling in beer prices (beer had to be bought of punch).