Queen Elizabeth II

[Grassland Blue]

There could be a lottery held every few years to see who becomes the next monarch.
6 months training and away you go...

 

[Octavian]

This is the legal theory. In practice it would be almost certainly be quite different, a tyrant with any sense would stack the chain of command with their own cronies and her attempts would either fail at the outset or a firefight between the factions would ensue.

You overestimate the monarchy's interest in democracy, the exist to continue existing and because nobody wants their legacy to be bringing it to an end, just like any other bureaucracy.

There is obviously a huge set of differing scenarios should a would be dictator look to seize power but ultimately there are checks on both sides of the crown and parliament that would slow down such efforts, at the very minimum, and that’s surely a good thing.

I think you underestimate it and the Queen’s motivation. Sure, she has survival of her family at the centre of thinking but she really does give a shit about the country, it’s why she’s the opposite of a narcissist.

 

[Grassland Blue]

We're already becoming a banana republic in the rest of the world's eyes.

There's a lot of truth in that...

 

[Octavian]

No it’s not, the monarchy has not had any executive power for a 100 years plus ..
They do what the government of the day tells em to do … The others royals have opinions and spout them regularly but the head of state does the government’s bidding… End of..!
The Queen is the last of the old world monarchs, the rest will fuck it it up like Harry and his soap star bird have ..

You’re describing what you see rather than the political process and law.

I suggest you look up the latter.

 

[Grassland Blue]

There is obviously a huge set of differing scenarios should a would be dictator look to seize power but ultimately there are checks on both sides of the crown and parliament that would slow down such efforts, at the very minimum, and that’s surely a good thing.

I think you underestimate it and the Queen’s motivation. Sure, she has survival of her family at the centre of thinking but she really does give a shit about the country, it’s why she’s the opposite of a narcissist.

You are Perkin Warbeck and I claim my ten groats...

 

[Octavian]

Have you missed the demonstrations over the past few years?

They are to be made illegal if the present government get their way.

Do you think the a monarch helps the government to get their way when not morally correct or hinders it?

the mere fact the **** has to go and kneel and ask permission to made protests illegal is better than him just sat on his own thrown and ordering it… and who knows she might even ask him to explain himself, which she has done several times going off reports

 

[Octavian]

You are Perkin Warbeck and I claim my ten groats...

I was about to aware them until I realised you’d not said goats…

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

Do you think the a monarch helps the government to get their way when not morally correct or hinders it?

the mere fact the **** has to go and kneel and ask permission to made protests illegal is better than him just sat on his own thrown and ordering it… and who knows she might even ask him to explain himself, which she has done several times going off reports

Of course she has, “according to reports”. It’s almost 100% not true, but certain papers can’t help but make the Queen omnipotent for its readership.

She has no say on whether protests are made illegal or not.

Are you hoping she might give the order for Johnson to be over-Throne?

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

You’re describing what you see rather than the political process and law.

I suggest you look up the latter.

Lol.

 

[Octavian]

Of course she has, “according to reports”. It’s almost 100% not true, but certain papers can’t help but make the Queen omnipotent for its readership.

She has no say on whether protests are made illegal or not.

Are you hoping she might give the order for Johnson to be over-Throne?

Well to begin with the reports were in the Mirror, a newspaper not known for its pro monarchist views.

She literally signs off new laws doesn’t she?

I’m hoping she holds the scraggy **** to account but she’s getting on now and maybe it’s a little too late. I hope Charles will do so tho

 

[Octavian]

Lol.

What did I say about growing up lad?

“lol” is the response of a 14 year old

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

Well to begin with the reports were in the Mirror, a newspaper not known for its pro monarchist views.

She literally signs off new laws doesn’t she?

I’m hoping she holds the scraggy **** to account but she’s getting on now and maybe it’s a little too late. I hope Charles will do so tho

Which law did she refuse to sign off?

You do know that some people on the left are monarchists too? Yeah?

She can’t hold anyone to account as she a ceremonial monarch, 96 and stopping more and more public engagements.

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

What did I say about growing up lad?

“lol” is the response of a 14 year old

Stop bullshitting then, you are clearly confused and making it up as you go along.

FOC.

 

[Octavian]

Which law did she refuse to sign off?

You do know that some people on the left are monarchists too? Yeah?

She can’t hold anyone to account as she a ceremonial monarch, 96 and stopping more and more public engagements.

I never said she did refuse to sign a law off, I am saying she can.

Yes, I do know that, although you’ve contradicted your point earlier where you insinuated monarchists weren’t bothered by climate change. The monarchy and climate change concern spans all sides of the political spectrum.

She will struggle due to her age and again, that’s what I said.

 

[Octavian]

Stop bullshitting then, you are clearly confused and making it up as you go along.

FOC.

Why don’t you actually take me up on my points rather than writing like a teenager and if you’re right and I’m wrong surely you’d rather actually prove it than writing “lol”?

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

I never said she did refuse to sign a law off, I am saying she can.

Yes, I do know that, although you’ve contradicted your point earlier where you insinuated monarchists weren’t bothered by climate change. The monarchy and climate change concern spans all sides of the political spectrum.

She will struggle due to her age and again, that’s what I said.

Sigh.

She can refuse to sign a law off, but she’s chosen not to so far.
She’s leaving it late in the day to do so.
I reckon she might never do this.
Are there odds on this?

Most monarchists are getting on in life.
Most climate change deniers are also getting on in life.

There may not be a correlation, but I reckon that if you did a Venn diagram, there’d be quite the union.

The monarch is a ceremonial role, and has been for a long time.

 

[Octavian]

Sigh.

She can refuse to sign a law off, but she’s chosen not to so far.
She’s leaving it late in the day to do so.
I reckon she might never do this.
Are there odds on this?

Most monarchists are getting on in life.
Most climate change deniers are also getting on in life.

There may not be a correlation, but I reckon that if you did a Venn diagram, there’d be quite the union.

The monarch is a ceremonial role, and has been for a long time.

Why the sigh when you’re changing your question every post?

I never said she did refuse to sign off a law, now you’re saying she may never - so? She hasn’t seen a law she felt was extreme enough to refuse sign off, obviously.

People’s opinions change as they get older. There’s more revolutionary socialists aged 18 than any other age group but they become more socially conservative the older they get. The 18 year olds who are anti monarchy today will likely be pro monarchy aged 40, it’s the way things tend to go.

It looks ceremonial because of her behaviour. That’s what she deserves a lot of credit for.

 

[mat]

Sigh.

She can refuse to sign a law off, but she’s chosen not to so far.
She’s leaving it late in the day to do so.
I reckon she might never do this.
Are there odds on this?

Most monarchists are getting on in life.
Most climate change deniers are also getting on in life.

There may not be a correlation, but I reckon that if you did a Venn diagram, there’d be quite the union.

The monarch is a ceremonial role, and has been for a long time.

I've just come back from the future. The news is historical documents reveal that during the last years of her reign Lizzie treated Johnson the PM the way she was treated by him. By changing her official signature from Elizabeth R to a spunking cock and balls.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

Why the sigh when you’re changing your question every post?

I never said she did refuse to sign off a law, now you’re saying she may never - so? She hasn’t seen a law she felt was extreme enough to refuse sign off, obviously.

People’s opinions change as they get older. There’s more revolutionary socialists aged 18 than any other age group but they become more socially conservative the older they get. The 18 year olds who are anti monarchy today will likely be pro monarchy aged 40, it’s the way things tend to go.

It looks ceremonial because of her behaviour. That’s what she deserves a lot of credit for.

What can the Queen actually do now? Nothing.
Is her role ceremonial? Yes.
Will more or less people be monarchists after she dies? Less.
Will the monarchy survive? Who knows?
Being pro or anti monarchy is not political, however much you try to say it is.

It is ceremonial as she has no powers, and if Charles starts trying to invoke old ones, he’ll be in the tower like one of his predecessors.

I’m 42. None of my peer group are particularly pro monarchy. They think the Queen is alright, but she’s not put her oar in.

Once Charles does, bye bye monarchy.

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

Why don’t you actually take me up on my points rather than writing like a teenager and if you’re right and I’m wrong surely you’d rather actually prove it than writing “lol”?

The lol was in response to you telling another poster to do their homework. Your interpretation of the constitution is flawed and confused.

If you can't exercise power without losing it then you don't have any real power. It is as simple as that.

Why the sigh when you’re changing your question every post?

I never said she did refuse to sign off a law, now you’re saying she may never - so? She hasn’t seen a law she felt was extreme enough to refuse sign off, obviously.

People’s opinions change as they get older. There’s more revolutionary socialists aged 18 than any other age group but they become more socially conservative the older they get. The 18 year olds who are anti monarchy today will likely be pro monarchy aged 40, it’s the way things tend to go.

It looks ceremonial because of her behaviour. That’s what she deserves a lot of credit for.

Citation needed.