Question Time

hilts said:
Yet again I disagree if you say most people were for the Eu before the campaign unless you know this and have facts to back it up that is a lie, if you say you think that is the case then it becomes an opinion. You are doing what politicians do and no doubt have called them out for doing so. If you said you thought most people were for the Eu before the referendum I would ask you to back that up. You said they were, you cannot know that so it is a lie. We can go round and round if you like.
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No. no, no.

Honestly look up the word lie, please. You clearly don't know what the word means. I made an *assertion*, a *claim* that the UK was generally pro Remain before the referendum campaigns kicked in. I believe that to be true. I've looked at the poll trackers. Therefore it CANNOT be a lie, for me to state this view. I might be "wrong", I might be "mistaken", but I am not "lying".

I've tried to be polite and to de-escalate our little tiff, but honestly you're starting to come across as simply a bit of a troll. So do me a favour, have a read on the definition of what a lie is, before insulting me yet again.

You'll note I am not calling you a liar for suggesting most people before the referendum were not Remainers! It's what you believe, so it's not a lie.
 
Chippy_boy said:
That's all fine mate but please don't go around calling me a liar. If I make some statement you don't agree with, then fine. Ignore it, argue with it, do whatever you like. But don't go throwing the word "lies" around. It's needlessly provocative, and actually factually wrong. As I've mentioned, a lie is a statement somone makes, KNOWING it to be untrue. I've never made such statement on this forum in the 11 years I've been on here. Not one, ever.

So please don't do it again eh. Argue by all means, but keep the "liar" comments to yourself, please.
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So when are you two getting a room ?
 
Mëtal Bikër said:
Maybe Scotland has changed it's mind, or are remainers not able to do that?
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Literally every single poll, even those more favourable to Brexit, which isn’t many, has shown Scotland is still remain in every area.

There’s absolutely no way you’d have that many Brexit supporters in one room, in Scotland, if you chose at random or through representation of the whole country.
 
Ban-jani said:
Literally every single poll, even those more favourable to Brexit, which isn’t many, has shown Scotland is still remain in every area.

There’s absolutely no way you’d have that many Brexit supporters in one room, in Scotland, if you chose at random or through representation of the whole country.
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Which polls are these? I've spent 10 minutes looking for these updated polls and not found anything.

Edit: This is the only thing i've found which shows a 13% voting intention for the BP.
https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.n...27/European Parliament VI 26 04 2019 SCOT.png
 
Chippy_boy said:
No. no, no.

Honestly look up the word lie, please. You clearly don't know what the word means. I made an *assertion*, a *claim* that the UK was generally pro Remain before the referendum campaigns kicked in. I believe that to be true. I've looked at the poll trackers. Therefore it CANNOT be a lie, for me to state this view. I might be "wrong", I might be "mistaken", but I am not "lying".

I've tried to be polite and to de-escalate our little tiff, but honestly you're starting to come across as simply a bit of a troll. So do me a favour, have a read on the definition of what a lie is, before insulting me yet again.
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You knowingly claimed something you cannot prove end of, I’m not explaining it again, just say in my opinion or I think it’s not fucking hard don’t post it like a fact because it’s not. As you have been wittering on for 3 years how you are right and others are wrong I have a feeling you won’t let it go. Your opinion is you didn’t lie my opinion is you did. Post as many times as you like. If you think you have been misrepresented all I can say is man up, deal with it and carry on. If you feel your character has been questioned and you don’t like it then think on. Us leavers have received the same treatment. Irony bites again.

Reflect or ignore I really do not care.
 
hilts said:
You knowingly claimed something you cannot prove end of, I’m not explaining it again, just say in my opinion or I think it’s not fucking hard don’t post it like a fact because it’s not. As you have been wittering on for 3 years how you are right and others are wrong I have a feeling you won’t let it go. Your opinion is you didn’t lie my opinion is you did. Post as many times as you like. If you think you have been misrepresented all I can say is man up, deal with it and carry on. If you feel your character has been questioned and you don’t like them then think on. Us leavers have received the same treatment. Irony bites again.

Reflect or ignore I really do not care.
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OK, I've given you plenty of chances. You still haven't given 1 second's reflection on what a lie is. Knowingly claiming something you cannot prove is NOT a lie. Idiot.

noun: lie; plural noun: lies
  1. 1.
    an intentionally false statement.

I haven't lied, at all. And you keep acusing me of it, wrongly. This is not a matter of opinion, you're just wrong. A lie is a statement you KNOW to be untrue. I haven't made any. So you're wrong.

You're obvious either thick as pig shit, or a troll. Either way you can fuck right off.
 
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Chippy_boy said:
OK, I've given you plenty of chances. You still haven't given 1 second's reflection on what a lie is. Knowingly claiming something you cannot prove is NOT a lie. Idiot.

I haven't lied, at all. And you keep acusing me of it, wrongly. This is not a matter of opinion, you're just wrong. A lie is a statement you KNOW to be untrue. I haven't made any. So you're wrong.

You're obvious either thick as pig shit, or a troll. Either way you can fuck right off.
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It’s a start that you now accept you claimed something you cannot prove, remove your anger, look deep inside and you may get there. I don’t THINK you will but I couldn’t possibly say you won’t because i don’t know for sure, I could claim you won’t but I don’t know and I don’t like to lie.
 
Chippy_boy said:
OK, I've given you plenty of chances. You still haven't given 1 second's reflection on what a lie is. Knowingly claiming something you cannot prove is NOT a lie. Idiot.

I haven't lied, at all. And you keep acusing me of it, wrongly. This is not a matter of opinion, you're just wrong. A lie is a statement you KNOW to be untrue. I haven't made any. So you're wrong.

You're obvious either thick as pig shit, or a troll. Either way you can fuck right off.
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I bet you'd be a laugh under cross-examination lol
 
Mëtal Bikër said:
Which polls are these? I've spent 10 minutes looking for these updated polls and not found anything.

Edit: This is the only thing i've found which shows a 13% voting intention for the BP.
https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/inlineimage/2019-04-27/European Parliament VI 26 04 2019 SCOT.png
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The Brexit Party doing well anywhere is absolutely no evidence for a shift towards Brexit from Remain.

It’s evidence that those that support Brexit don’t believe the Tories or Labour are going to deliver their version of what they want it to be.

Only 13% voting for that party shows that hard Brexit has poor following in Scotland.

Independence polling has increased largely because of Scotland’s pro European stance.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www....-for-scottish-independence-to-49-percent/amp/

Polling company YouGov says rise driven by Remain voters.

Asked whether Scotland should be an independent country, 49 percent of respondents said “yes,” according to a YouGov poll conducted this week for the Times. That’s up from 45 percent in June 2018.

The change seems to be largely driven by Remain voters, the polling company said, with attitudes having flipped among this group. While a majority were against independence in 2018, 54 percent are now in favor according to the new poll.
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hilts said:
It’s a start that you now accept you claimed something you cannot prove, remove your anger, look deep inside and you may get there. I don’t THINK you will but I couldn’t possibly say you won’t because i don’t know for sure, I could claim you won’t but I don’t know and I don’t like to lie.
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Apologise for calling me a liar, or fuck off. I care not which.
 
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