Race and the death penalty in the US.

[PJMCC1UK]

Nowhere in the article does it show any like for like cases where a black man was sentenced to death while a white man got life or less.
I understand no two cases are exactly the same but there are some with similarities.

This article fails badly. The statistics can easily be manipulated to his own affect. You can only judge this on a case by case way.

And the one thing about the death penalty is that there is no chance of an innocent person being freed.

An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth is not the same thing.

They can. They all get to appeal. It's not as if they are dragged off straight to the chair. The problem is reasonable doubt. You have to be 100% sure to give someone the death penalty. Like we are sure over here of Huntley and Hindley and Sutcliffe.

 

[metalblue]

Most people who go to prison would of committed a crime as well

Black people are more likely to go to jail for a crime that a white person would get community service or an aquital for. So regardless of crime or not, you get more time for selling $10 bags of crack than kilos of cocaine. Then there is the 3 strike rule which states that you can be give life on your 3rd strike even for petty crimes. This rule is in effect used more often against black/hispanics than white criminals.

The habitual offender law isn't for petty crimes. I have seen first hand the definite racial issues within the US and am accutely aware that discrimination can takes generations to "breed out" however a continuing spiral of blacks seen as "criminals" and Hispanics seen as "for rent" is hindering that process to stagnation.

Typically the drug crime that results in incarnation is for drug use rather than supply and the relationship between drug use and poverty is pretty well defined globally and non-whites certainly make up a significant portion of those in poverty in the US (and elsewhere)

To make matters worse the criminal system in the US for drug offences is stacked against blacks an example is where a black persons drug of "choice" is crack this carries much stiffer sentencing than the a white persons drug of "choice", powder, despite the fact they are essentially the same thing.

Now whether the police/judicial system is racist is another matter, it is conceivable that it relies on "stereotyping" rather than a conscious effort to target one particular group but the evidence would suggest otherwise.

 

[SWP's back]

Nowhere in the article does it show any like for like cases where a black man was sentenced to death while a white man got life or less.
I understand no two cases are exactly the same but there are some with similarities.

This article fails badly. The statistics can easily be manipulated to his own affect. You can only judge this on a case by case way.

And the one thing about the death penalty is that there is no chance of an innocent person being freed.

An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth is not the same thing.

Not true

<a class="postlink" href="http://wrongful-convictions.blogspot.com/2007/03/former-death-row-inmate-wants-to.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://wrongful-convictions.blogspot.co ... ts-to.html</a>

You can't be freed after you have been killed though can you.

 

[Frank the Yank]

Nowhere in the article does it show any like for like cases where a black man was sentenced to death while a white man got life or less.
I understand no two cases are exactly the same but there are some with similarities.

This article fails badly. The statistics can easily be manipulated to his own affect. You can only judge this on a case by case way.

And the one thing about the death penalty is that there is no chance of an innocent person being freed.

An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth is not the same thing.

They can. They all get to appeal. It's not as if they are dragged off straight to the chair. The problem is reasonable doubt. You have to be 100% sure to give someone the death penalty. Like we are sure over here of Huntley and Hindley and Sutcliffe.

Also although many states have the death penalty, it NEVER gets used. We have it here in New York and also in New Jersey but its not used.

Its funny, the only death penalty case that didnt drag on for years and years was when one Timothy McVeigh received it.........

 

[BoyBlue_1985]

And the one thing about the death penalty is that there is no chance of an innocent person being freed.

An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth is not the same thing.

Not true

<a class="postlink" href="http://wrongful-convictions.blogspot.com/2007/03/former-death-row-inmate-wants-to.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://wrongful-convictions.blogspot.co ... ts-to.html</a>

You can't be freed after you have been killed though can you.

No but thats why alot of people spend over 20 years on death row as they appeal repeatedly which is there right to. I dont really believe in the death penalty unless its undisputable and they will become nothing but a drain on the prison system as they could never be considered for release <enter whatever name her>. Then it comes to a who choses who lives and dies, if your religeous you would say God makes that choice but ultimatly if you see fit to take someones life why cant someone make that decision for them. Again its not what we are trying to get in to with this thread

 

[Mad Eyed Screamer]

Nowhere in the article does it show any like for like cases where a black man was sentenced to death while a white man got life or less.
I understand no two cases are exactly the same but there are some with similarities.

This article fails badly. The statistics can easily be manipulated to his own affect. You can only judge this on a case by case way.

And the one thing about the death penalty is that there is no chance of an innocent person being freed.

An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth is not the same thing.

They can. They all get to appeal. It's not as if they are dragged off straight to the chair. The problem is reasonable doubt. You have to be 100% sure to give someone the death penalty. Like we are sure over here of Huntley and Hindley and Sutcliffe.

and the Birmingham six & Guildford four ;)

 

[i kne albert davy]

And the one thing about the death penalty is that there is no chance of an innocent person being freed.

An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth is not the same thing.

They can. They all get to appeal. It's not as if they are dragged off straight to the chair. The problem is reasonable doubt. You have to be 100% sure to give someone the death penalty. Like we are sure over here of Huntley and Hindley and Sutcliffe.

and the Birmingham six & Guildford four ;)

Don't know the answer to this 1 but how many released murderers have gone on to take away another persons life.

 

[Soulboy]

And the one thing about the death penalty is that there is no chance of an innocent person being freed.

An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth is not the same thing.

They can. They all get to appeal. It's not as if they are dragged off straight to the chair. The problem is reasonable doubt. You have to be 100% sure to give someone the death penalty. Like we are sure over here of Huntley and Hindley and Sutcliffe.

and the Birmingham six & Guildford four ;)

And Stefan Kiszko.

He definitely did it. Everybody in the neighbourhood knew he was guilty. He even admitted it.

Should have hung the dirty bastard the following day.

Hmmm....

 

[buckshot]

Speaking as an American this issue has always turned my stomach. How any sane person can cheer when somebody else is put to death is beyond me. Also, in addition to being racist it has never been shown to be a deterrent. But the mouth-breathing idiots keep cheering away even as evidence comes out that innocent people have been executed.

And these idiots are almost always that same douchebags who claim to be "Christians". They figure that as long as they haven't had an abortion or aren't gay that they're qualified to preach to you and tell you everything you're doing wrong. Nevermind the fact that they support state santioned murder and go to rallies to stop poor people from getting medical treatment.

 

[didactic]

The habitual offender law isn't for petty crimes. I have seen first hand the definite racial issues within the US and am accutely aware that discrimination can takes generations to "breed out" however a continuing spiral of blacks seen as "criminals" and Hispanics seen as "for rent" is hindering that process to stagnation.

Typically the drug crime that results in incarnation is for drug use rather than supply and the relationship between drug use and poverty is pretty well defined globally and non-whites certainly make up a significant portion of those in poverty in the US (and elsewhere)

To make matters worse the criminal system in the US for drug offences is stacked against blacks an example is where a black persons drug of "choice" is crack this carries much stiffer sentencing than the a white persons drug of "choice", powder, despite the fact they are essentially the same thing.

Now whether the police/judicial system is racist is another matter, it is conceivable that it relies on "stereotyping" rather than a conscious effort to target one particular group but the evidence would suggest otherwise.

You just agreed with what I said :).

-- Sat Jan 07, 2012 11:54 am --

Speaking as an American this issue has always turned my stomach. How any sane person can cheer when somebody else is put to death is beyond me. Also, in addition to being racist it has never been shown to be a deterrent. But the mouth-breathing idiots keep cheering away even as evidence comes out that innocent people have been executed.

And these idiots are almost always that same douchebags who claim to be "Christians". They figure that as long as they haven't had an abortion or aren't gay that they're qualified to preach to you and tell you everything you're doing wrong. Nevermind the fact that they support state santioned murder and go to rallies to stop poor people from getting medical treatment.

Lynchings, public hangings, KKK members all describe themselves as "Christians" or carried out by people who use that title. Means nothing I could call myself a space man but if I have not been to space. None of what they do is very Christ like. The bible was used by slave owners too to keep their slaves passive this is the main reason why so many black people are religious. During the times when people were being enslaved and their land stolen from them it was a bible or a bullet. The first thing they did to "natives" was convert them while raping and pillaging.<br /><br />-- Sat Jan 07, 2012 11:54 am --<br /><br />

And Stefan Kiszko.

He definitely did it. Everybody in the neighbourhood knew he was guilty. He even admitted it.

Should have hung the dirty bastard the following day.

Hmmm....

Sad, sad story still makes me upset till this day and I was but a pup when all this happened.