Race and the death penalty in the US.

[pominoz]

Speaking as an American this issue has always turned my stomach. How any sane person can cheer when somebody else is put to death is beyond me. Also, in addition to being racist it has never been shown to be a deterrent. But the mouth-breathing idiots keep cheering away even as evidence comes out that innocent people have been executed.

And these idiots are almost always that same douchebags who claim to be "Christians". They figure that as long as they haven't had an abortion or aren't gay that they're qualified to preach to you and tell you everything you're doing wrong. Nevermind the fact that they support state santioned murder and go to rallies to stop poor people from getting medical treatment.

A sane Yank ?, yeah!! there is hope ;)

 

[metalblue]

The habitual offender law isn't for petty crimes. I have seen first hand the definite racial issues within the US and am accutely aware that discrimination can takes generations to "breed out" however a continuing spiral of blacks seen as "criminals" and Hispanics seen as "for rent" is hindering that process to stagnation.

Typically the drug crime that results in incarnation is for drug use rather than supply and the relationship between drug use and poverty is pretty well defined globally and non-whites certainly make up a significant portion of those in poverty in the US (and elsewhere)

To make matters worse the criminal system in the US for drug offences is stacked against blacks an example is where a black persons drug of "choice" is crack this carries much stiffer sentencing than the a white persons drug of "choice", powder, despite the fact they are essentially the same thing.

Now whether the police/judicial system is racist is another matter, it is conceivable that it relies on "stereotyping" rather than a conscious effort to target one particular group but the evidence would suggest otherwise.

You just agreed with what I said :).

Haha, well discuss enough topics and it was bound to happen eventually! Don't get too excited about it treacle ;)

 

[Frank the Yank]

Speaking as an American this issue has always turned my stomach. How any sane person can cheer when somebody else is put to death is beyond me. Also, in addition to being racist it has never been shown to be a deterrent. But the mouth-breathing idiots keep cheering away even as evidence comes out that innocent people have been executed.

And these idiots are almost always that same douchebags who claim to be "Christians". They figure that as long as they haven't had an abortion or aren't gay that they're qualified to preach to you and tell you everything you're doing wrong. Nevermind the fact that they support state santioned murder and go to rallies to stop poor people from getting medical treatment.

A sane Yank ?, yeah!! there is hope ;)

He is from the Philly area and IS a Phillies fan so take it with a HUGE grain of salt!!!!

 

[Balti]

Everyone on death row is a convicted murderer and often a serial murderer.

I have no sympathy for them regardless of what race/ colour/ creed they happen to be. That is unimportant. What is important is the offence that they have committed and the lives that they have purposely denied their victims.

Along with approx half the UK population, and more when the victims are children, I support the death penalty. Of course the evidence has to be absolute. If not then it has to be their entire life in jail. But many of the worst crimes can be proven beyond all doubt. Of course it should be handed out on the same basis to murderers of all races/ colours/ creeds.

But lets not forget what scum these murderers are and the atrocities that they have committed. tbh I'd cheer too if I saw one of the moors murderers or their ilk finally getting their come uppance.

 

[tidyman]

Everyone on death row is a convicted murderer and often a serial murderer.

Not strictly true.

Crimes in various states that carry a potential death sentence:

Aggravated rape of a child under 13.

Second conviction for sexual intercourse without consent accompanied by serious bodily injury.

Second conviction for rape of a child under 14.

Plenty of other examples mainly involving rape of children and all rarely used. But point is you don't have to have killed someone to be exectued in America.

Also:

Treason against the United States, as well as treason against the states of Arkansas, California, Colorado, Georgia, Louisiana, Mississippi, Missouri, and Washington are capital offenses.

 

[Balti]

Everyone on death row is a convicted murderer and often a serial murderer.

Not strictly true.

Crimes in various states that carry a potential death sentence:

Aggravated rape of a child under 13.

Second conviction for sexual intercourse without consent accompanied by serious bodily injury.

Second conviction for rape of a child under 14.

Plenty of other examples mainly involving rape of children and all rarely used. But point is you don't have to have killed someone to be exectued in America.

Also:

Treason against the United States, as well as treason against the states of Arkansas, California, Colorado, Georgia, Louisiana, Mississippi, Missouri, and Washington are capital offenses.

I was looking at the crimes committed by those actually executed last year who all appear to be murderers/ serial murderers:

Interesting site:

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.clarkprosecutor.org/html/death/usexecute.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.clarkprosecutor.org/html/death/usexecute.htm</a>

 

[tidyman]

Everyone on death row is a convicted murderer and often a serial murderer.

Not strictly true.

Crimes in various states that carry a potential death sentence:

Aggravated rape of a child under 13.

Second conviction for sexual intercourse without consent accompanied by serious bodily injury.

Second conviction for rape of a child under 14.

Plenty of other examples mainly involving rape of children and all rarely used. But point is you don't have to have killed someone to be exectued in America.

Also:

Treason against the United States, as well as treason against the states of Arkansas, California, Colorado, Georgia, Louisiana, Mississippi, Missouri, and Washington are capital offenses.

I was looking at the crimes committed by those actually executed last year who all appear to be murderers/ serial murderers:

Interesting site:

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.clarkprosecutor.org/html/death/usexecute.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.clarkprosecutor.org/html/death/usexecute.htm</a>

I can't be bothered trying to re-find the site I saw it on now but I think it said two were on death row currently who haven't killed themselves.

Take the point that VIRTUALLY all our convicted murderers though.

Ridiculously high percentage of executions carried out in one state ( Texas )

Think that's one of the problems with having judges elected that I've heard some people try to champion here.

 

[i kne albert davy]

Everyone on death row is a convicted murderer and often a serial murderer.

Not strictly true.

Crimes in various states that carry a potential death sentence:

Aggravated rape of a child under 13.

Second conviction for sexual intercourse without consent accompanied by serious bodily injury.

Second conviction for rape of a child under 14.

Plenty of other examples mainly involving rape of children and all rarely used. But point is you don't have to have killed someone to be exectued in America.

Also:

Treason against the United States, as well as treason against the states of Arkansas, California, Colorado, Georgia, Louisiana, Mississippi, Missouri, and Washington are capital offenses.

While these crimes do carry the ultimate sanction pretty sure nobodies been executed in U.S. for anything other than taking someone else's life for about 50 years.

 

[malg]

Everyone on death row is a convicted murderer and often a serial murderer.

Not strictly true.

Crimes in various states that carry a potential death sentence:

Aggravated rape of a child under 13.

Second conviction for sexual intercourse without consent accompanied by serious bodily injury.

Second conviction for rape of a child under 14.

Plenty of other examples mainly involving rape of children and all rarely used. But point is you don't have to have killed someone to be exectued in America.

Also:

Treason against the United States, as well as treason against the states of Arkansas, California, Colorado, Georgia, Louisiana, Mississippi, Missouri, and Washington are capital offenses.

I probably wouldn't shed a tear about anyone who was convicted of either of those two.

 

[PJMCC1UK]

They can. They all get to appeal. It's not as if they are dragged off straight to the chair. The problem is reasonable doubt. You have to be 100% sure to give someone the death penalty. Like we are sure over here of Huntley and Hindley and Sutcliffe.

and the Birmingham six & Guildford four ;)

And Stefan Kiszko.

He definitely did it. Everybody in the neighbourhood knew he was guilty. He even admitted it.

Should have hung the dirty bastard the following day.

Hmmm....

Kiszko was mentally ill and wouldn't have hung though would he. Again the anti brigade act like I am saying we should hang everyone. I am not. Plus recent times have shown evidence is getting better.<br /><br />-- Sat Jan 07, 2012 5:06 pm --<br /><br />

And the one thing about the death penalty is that there is no chance of an innocent person being freed.

An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth is not the same thing.

They can. They all get to appeal. It's not as if they are dragged off straight to the chair. The problem is reasonable doubt. You have to be 100% sure to give someone the death penalty. Like we are sure over here of Huntley and Hindley and Sutcliffe.

and the Birmingham six & Guildford four ;)

They got their appeal and were proven innocent. Again you over simplify your argument as if I have somehow advocated taking them straight to the gallows. They can appeal. But we do know for FACT the names I mentioned did do it.