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aa123 said:
You guys are really defensive. It was a question about youth development at your club and Pellegrini, and some of you have reacted like its the most insane question youve ever heard.

If your saying City doesnt have that problem, at all, definitely not, then I think youre turning a blind eye to it.

Heres another way of looking at it. At ages 20-23 , still immature , he would probably be better off under Rodgers and Wenger. When hes developed as a player, thats the time to be playing at City.

David Silva aged 20 moving to City would not have been as right as Silva aged 24 moving City.
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Fundamentally disagree.

You're assuming Pellegrini isn't as good at mentoring younger players as Wenger and Rodgers, however neither you nor I have the knowledge of how any of those 3 managers works to accurately determine this point. All will have successes, and failures, when it comes to nurturing youth, some will have had more opportunities than others to do so. Wenger has been at Arsenal since the 1990's, so his chances of aiding younger players to break through, have been far greater than many. Rodgers, I believe, is being given a huge amount of credit by yourself for his "work with youth", I can't say there's a huge number of players, spread out over many years, that he's able to demonstrate he's assisted greatly.

Sterling uses his pace a great deal, with players who rely on pace for a decent amount of their productivity, you need to get them in sooner rather than later. Pace is one of the first things to go, so waiting until a player is 24/25 before you sign him, means you're losing some of their best years. Look at Michael Own for example. Left Liverpool as a 25 year old, and his career steadily declined from there on out. He was out of the England setup before he was 30, and warming the benches of Old Trafford and Stoke from age 30 onwards. Why? Because his legs had gone, he no longer had the pace to run away from players, and that nullified his game. Shaun Wright-Phillips is another prime example, returned to City aged 27, yet was never the same player as when he left. Last capped for England aged 29, hasn't been a regular at club level since he was 30. Why? Again, his legs ave gone, and so has his usefulness.
 
Matty said:
Fundamentally disagree.

You're assuming Pellegrini isn't as good at mentoring younger players as Wenger and Rodgers, however neither you nor I have the knowledge of how any of those 3 managers works to accurately determine this point. All will have successes, and failures, when it comes to nurturing youth, some will have had more opportunities than others to do so. Wenger has been at Arsenal since the 1990's, so his chances of aiding younger players to break through, have been far greater than many. Rodgers, I believe, is being given a huge amount of credit by yourself for his "work with youth", I can't say there's a huge number of players, spread out over many years, that he's able to demonstrate he's assisted greatly.

Sterling uses his pace a great deal, with players who rely on pace for a decent amount of their productivity, you need to get them in sooner rather than later. Pace is one of the first things to go, so waiting until a player is 24/25 before you sign him, means you're losing some of their best years. Look at Michael Own for example. Left Liverpool as a 25 year old, and his career steadily declined from there on out. He was out of the England setup before he was 30, and warming the benches of Old Trafford and Stoke from age 30 onwards. Why? Because his legs had gone, he no longer had the pace to run away from players, and that nullified his game. Shaun Wright-Phillips is another prime example, returned to City aged 27, yet was never the same player as when he left. Last capped for England aged 29, hasn't been a regular at club level since he was 30. Why? Again, his legs ave gone, and so has his usefulness.
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I think Isco and Cazorla might have something to say about the idea that Pellegrini can't develop young players.

Funny seeing scousers still bending over backwards to try and find the negatives in this deal. Well the stupid ones anyway. The smart ones are turning their eyes to FSG and asking why they are selling their best players, and more importantly why their best players are so desperate to get the fuck out of dodge.
 
aa123 said:
Ok well in terms of backing up my point how many games have they played, and how much time do they have to develop in the first team?
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It is an irelevant question so far, as the players we have coming through who are likely to be of sufficient quality, have been too young to figure in the first team, when we are challenging for 4 trophies. So the problem is effectively about to start in the next season or two. What we do with thd best kids who have reached the level of first team potential.

It would appear we have promoted about 3 to the first team squad, if rumours are true. Then some of the younger ones may be loaned out.

We will have to find out if we need to make room for Jerome Sinclair as well, or whether he leaves Liverpool for someone other than City.
 
Not surprised Liverpool fans are trying damnest to convince themselves it's the wrong move for Raheem. Enjoy Milner you ass wipes and shut the f up while Raheem wins trophies with us
 
FanchesterCity said:
Of course it does, but it's not kept within football, which means clubs end up back at square one financially, as the TV money increases, it's goes right through to players, and the clubs are still skint!
At least with transfers, it filters through the system, so our 50m on Sterling will go to Liverpool and QPR, then on to other clubs via transfers etc. Sadly agents will be sucking their percentage out with every transaction.
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Can't disagree with any of that. Interesting that our model of ownership, which has put money into football, is frowned upon whereas the rags model, which sees money going to the banks in debt repayment, is thought to be good. Insane.
 
To the people who have lined up to publicly assassinate Sterling, all you have done is compiled a massive list of people that he will want to prove wrong. If I was him I would be so motivated to make these fuckers eat humble pie. So a big thankyou to the likes of Souness, Carragher, Redknapp, Quinn because your over the top criticism of Raheem has done Pellegrini's team talk for him.
 
BillyShears said:
I think Isco and Cazorla might have something to say about the idea that Pellegrini can't develop young players.

Funny seeing scousers still bending over backwards to try and find the negatives in this deal. Well the stupid ones anyway. The smart ones are turning their eyes to FSG and asking why they are selling their best players, and more importantly why their best players are so desperate to get the fuck out of dodge.
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I'm willing to cut FSG some slack when it comes to selling their best players. In both the Suarez and Sterling situations they had no real option but to sell, both players were clearly unhappy, and unwilling to stay, so they had to go really.

Where FSG need to answer questions is WHY were Suarez and Sterling so adamant they were leaving? I'd suggest it's down to both having a clear view of where Liverpool are, and where FSG and taking them, and it isn't towards league titles and European glory. The quality of players FSG are bringing in, and the (relative) lack of spending doesn't indicate a club on the rise. The 2013/14 season will, in years to come, be seen as a blip, an anomaly brought about by several clubs underperforming (United, City, Arsenal and Chelsea to some degree) and one superstar player in Suarez having a season of a lifetime. Liverpool are not "back", they are where they've been for the last decade, near the top, but lacking the quality to challenge for anything.
 
The managers aren't developing these younger players anyway. Pellegrini's not developing our young players any more than Rodgers is at Liverpool, we've got Academy people doing that day in, day out.

By the time a player is close to making the first team (very rare anyway), the majority of his development was with other people, not the first team manager.
Of course, once he's in the first team, the manager starts to have more influence on him, but there's still a whole team (including other players) all bringing him through. People are overplaying the manager's role here. They aren't some svengali or soul mate.
You'd think the manager was spending hours and hours on a one to one basis with these kids, 'moulding them' 'nurturing them' - what a load of bollocks.
 
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