If people are living longer then surely it makes sense for the pension age to rise? 75 seems like a large jump, but surely the principle is sound? Or is the argument that whilst people are living longer, the quality of life at 65 nowadays, is no different to what it was 10, 20, 30, 40 years ago? So people are hanging on for longer because of advanced medicine, etc, but not actually fitter to work for longer?
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Raising the pension age to 75
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It's the 21st century answer to cheap labour in minimum wage jobs. Just look at the supermarket counters or B&Q etc now. Massive swing from young checkout girls to elderly (60's/70's) employees already.
That doesn't make sense, the minimum wage is higher the older you are. If cheap labour was only important then everyone working in a supermarket would be under 18 or on an 'apprenticeship'.
I think older people tend to fit better because they can do any hours and are more flexible than younger people who might have school/college/uni etc or leave at anytime.
My mum works part time for Sainsburys at 62 and she loves it but she doesn't need to work. Some people would rather work and keep busy than retire and sit around doing nothing.
lancs blue
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Not sure about that, lots of 16-18 college kids round here taking up evening/weekend and holidays work as they can be paid just £4.35 an hour.It's the 21st century answer to cheap labour in minimum wage jobs. Just look at the supermarket counters or B&Q etc now. Massive swing from young checkout girls to elderly (60's/70's) employees already.
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Not knocking your mum and those like her mate. I know it suits some to work longer than others, but I'm not sure for most it's a choice. I always felt the decision to remove the mandatory retirement age was potentially a double edged sword in terms of giving folk freedom to carry on vs curtailing those precious years of enjoyable retirement while we are still in good health.That doesn't make sense, the minimum wage is higher the older you are. If cheap labour was only important then everyone working in a supermarket would be under 18 or on an 'apprenticeship'.
I think older people tend to fit better because they can do any hours and are more flexible than younger people who might have school/college/uni etc or leave at anytime.
My mum works part time for Sainsburys at 62 and she loves it but she doesn't need to work. Some people would rather work and keep busy than retire and sit around doing nothing.
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As was always the way, but my point was more about (my perception) of a shifting demographic in these jobs. By no means always a bad thing as in the 62 yr old mum above.Not sure about that, lots of 16-18 college kids round here taking up evening/weekend and holidays work as they can be paid just £4.35 an hour.
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Not knocking your mum and those like her mate. I know it suits some to work longer than others, but I'm not sure for most it's a choice. I always felt the decision to remove the mandatory retirement age was potentially a double edged sword in terms of giving folk freedom to carry on vs curtailing those precious years of enjoyable retirement while we are still in good health.
Not everyone has an enjoyable retirement though. There are plenty out there who once retired find themselves lost, don't have a large social circle or who want to be sat at home reading or whatnot.
Plenty miss the comfort of going to work, seeing different people and being in a working enviroment.
Seen a few people going rapidly downhill after retiring, sadly.
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Yep, get that. I think unless you have a good social circle and interests/hobbies that you can afford to pursue it can become gods,waiting room.Not everyone has an enjoyable retirement though. There are plenty out there who once retired find themselves lost, don't have a large social circle or who want to be sat at home reading or whatnot.
Plenty miss the comfort of going to work, seeing different people and being in a working enviroment.
Seen a few people going rapidly downhill after retiring, sadly.
stonerblue
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I'm 54 and expect the pension to be gone by the time i reach 67.
lust overlord
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I'm 54 and expect the pension to be gone by the time i reach 67.
I'm 53 and I'm now expecting the goalposts to be moved a couple more times before I die, probably before I collect my state pension.
"Great"Britain my arse.
lust overlord
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If people are living longer then surely it makes sense for the pension age to rise? 75 seems like a large jump, but surely the principle is sound? Or is the argument that whilst people are living longer, the quality of life at 65 nowadays, is no different to what it was 10, 20, 30, 40 years ago? So people are hanging on for longer because of advanced medicine, etc, but not actually fitter to work for longer?
No,it makes sense to the government that if they raise the age,more people will drop dead before collecting it,or aren't hanging round picking up money for nothing for as long.
Life expectancy varies around the country.
In some areas it falls below 75.
These fuckers coming up with these ideas should be employed running casinos.
Not supposed,socially caring countries.