Rangers coming to Stretford

[BluePurgatory]

Right so you agree then that both the fans and the police had a minority of thugs who were responsible for the violence and the city council and the bars and the super markets should also not escape blame for selling them booze all day.
The bottom line is the council and the police got it wrong. They could have errected a fan zone outside the city centre perhaps philips park with proper toilet facilities etc, but they didnt and chose to ignore it.
PS you seem to claim to know and had witness alot what was going on are you in the Plod?

 

[Breadsnapper]

Again, I'd never defend the police having witnessed and been on the receiving end of some harsh treatment myself over the years.

To be fair, I think the root cause of the problem in Manchester that day was simply the fact that 150,000 ticketless supporters turned up, with a significant number of them being pissed up!

Why the police did not say from the off "if you haven't got a ticket, don't bother coming," I'll never know.

Still, thankfully it is only European competition and not regular league games where we have to face the problem of the Old Firm.

I'm still non-plussed as to how you can support two teams.

At last some sense.

-- Thu Sep 02, 2010 1:51 pm --

Right so you agree then that both the fans and the police had a minority of thugs who were responsible for the violence and the city council and the bars and the super markets should also not escape blame for selling them booze all day.
The bottom line is the council and the police got it wrong. They could have errected a fan zone outside the city centre perhaps philips park with proper toilet facilities etc, but they didnt and chose to ignore it.
PS you seem to claim to know and had witness alot what was going on are you in the Plod?

And some more.

 

[BluePurgatory]

Again, I'd never defend the police having witnessed and been on the receiving end of some harsh treatment myself over the years.

To be fair, I think the root cause of the problem in Manchester that day was simply the fact that 150,000 ticketless supporters turned up, with a significant number of them being pissed up!

Why the police did not say from the off "if you haven't got a ticket, don't bother coming," I'll never know.

Still, thankfully it is only European competition and not regular league games where we have to face the problem of the Old Firm.

I'm still non-plussed as to how you can support two teams.

I think you will find that the Police did inform the fans without tickets that they were not welcome a few days before the game was to be held and this was overturned by the CC.

 

[Anonymous]

Right so you agree then that both the fans and the police had a minority of thugs who were responsible for the violence and the city council and the bars and the super markets should also not escape blame for selling them booze all day.
The bottom line is the council and the police got it wrong. They could have errected a fan zone outside the city centre perhaps philips park with proper toilet facilities etc, but they didnt and chose to ignore it.
PS you seem to claim to know and had witness alot what was going on are you in the Plod?

You see, that makes me chuckle.

The event was a European Final where there were a finite number of tickets available to fans who wanted to go. Once they were sold out, tough luck if you didn't get one.

Why should the council cater for ticketless supporters out of our Council Tax money?

Why travel to Manchester on the premise of it being a good day out, get pissed up and if there's any bother, then it's no bother because it's not our city?

That kind of comment, though I'm sure not intended to, borders on sheer bloody arrogance.<br /><br />-- Thu Sep 02, 2010 2:09 pm --<br /><br />

Again, I'd never defend the police having witnessed and been on the receiving end of some harsh treatment myself over the years.

To be fair, I think the root cause of the problem in Manchester that day was simply the fact that 150,000 ticketless supporters turned up, with a significant number of them being pissed up!

Why the police did not say from the off "if you haven't got a ticket, don't bother coming," I'll never know.

Still, thankfully it is only European competition and not regular league games where we have to face the problem of the Old Firm.

I'm still non-plussed as to how you can support two teams.

I think you will find that the Police did inform the fans without tickets that they were not welcome a few days before the game was to be held and this was overturned by the CC.

So GMP made it clear their stance and that was overruled by the council? Can the council do that (genuine question, not a dig)?

If I'd have read the police didn't want me there, I'd have been inclined to stay away - only my personal point of view and understand that if you're given mixed messages you might make a different decision - but deffo given the reputation of her majesty's finest, major wide berth for me!

 

[BluePurgatory]

Right so you agree
then that both the fans and the police had a minority of thugs who were responsible for the violence and the city council and the bars and the super markets should also not escape blame for selling them booze all day.
The bottom line is the council and the police got it wrong. They could have errected a fan zone outside the city centre perhaps philips park with proper toilet facilities etc, but they didnt and chose to ignore it.
PS you seem to claim to know and had witness alot what was going on are you in the Plod?

You see, that makes me chuckle.

The event was a European Final where there were a finite number of tickets available to fans who wanted to go. Once they were sold out, tough luck if you didn't get one.

Why should the council cater for ticketless supporters out of our Council Tax money?

Why travel to Manchester on the premise of it being a good day out, get pissed up and if there's any bother, then it's no bother because it's not our city?

That kind of comment, though I'm sure not intended to, borders on sheer bloody arrogance.

How much money do you think the City Centre Business made out of the rangers game that day? So are you saying that if we make it to the final in Dublin no city fans should travel without a ticket and if the thousands who will travel without a ticket just to sample the atmosphere then nothing should be laid on for them, although they will be spending lots and lots of money. So by your logic the citys fans who travelled to Blackburn and were parked on that hill some blue moons ago had no right to be there because they had not been lucky enough to buy a ticket. FFS you need to get out more.<br /><br />-- Thu Sep 02, 2010 2:14 pm --<br /><br />

Right so you agree then that both the fans and the police had a minority of thugs who were responsible for the violence and the city council and the bars and the super markets should also not escape blame for selling them booze all day.
The bottom line is the council and the police got it wrong. They could have errected a fan zone outside the city centre perhaps philips park with proper toilet facilities etc, but they didnt and chose to ignore it.
PS you seem to claim to know and had witness alot what was going on are you in the Plod?

You see, that makes me chuckle.

The event was a European Final where there were a finite number of tickets available to fans who wanted to go. Once they were sold out, tough luck if you didn't get one.

Why should the council cater for ticketless supporters out of our Council Tax money?

Why travel to Manchester on the premise of it being a good day out, get pissed up and if there's any bother, then it's no bother because it's not our city?

That kind of comment, though I'm sure not intended to, borders on sheer bloody arrogance.

-- Thu Sep 02, 2010 2:09 pm --

I think you will find that the Police did inform the fans without tickets that they were not welcome a few days before the game was to be held and this was overturned by the CC.

So GMP made it clear their stance and that was overruled by the council? Can the council do that (genuine question, not a dig)?

If I'd have read the police didn't want me there, I'd have been inclined to stay away - only my personal point of view and understand that if you're given mixed messages you might make a different decision - but deffo given the reputation of her majesty's finest, major wide berth for me!

Believe it or no we dont live in a Police state and perhaps these comments set the tone between the police and fans for what was going to happen.
PS there is a by law in machester which bans alcohol being drank in public. Why did her majestys finest ignore it?

 

[Anonymous]

You see, that makes me chuckle.

The event was a European Final where there were a finite number of tickets available to fans who wanted to go. Once they were sold out, tough luck if you didn't get one.

Why should the council cater for ticketless supporters out of our Council Tax money?

Why travel to Manchester on the premise of it being a good day out, get pissed up and if there's any bother, then it's no bother because it's not our city?

That kind of comment, though I'm sure not intended to, borders on sheer bloody arrogance.

How much money do you think the City Centre Business made out of the rangers game that day? So are you saying that if we make it to the final in Dublin no city fans should travel without a ticket and if the thousands who will travel without a ticket just to sample the atmosphere then nothing should be laid on for them, although they will be spending lots and lots of money. So by your logic the citys fans who travelled to Blackburn and were parked on that hill some blue moons ago had no right to be there because they had not been lucky enough to buy a ticket. FFS you need to get out more.

I wouldn't travel to a game without a ticket - maybe that's just me and maybe I do need to get out more (then again the mrs might disagree with that).

If we make it to the final in Dublin, then absolutely yes, Dublin council have no obligation to cater for anyone who doesn't have a ticket - why should they?

There have been occasions when I have been away on business but in the same locale as City when we've played midweek. Although being unable to get a ticket for the game, I never once expected the council of that town to erect a big screen and provide bogs for me, just because I was there.

 

[BluePurgatory]

Its simple? Speculate to accumulate. Perhaps Dublin and its Gaurda will of observed the mistakes made by the GMP and our CC. Dublin business people must be rubbing their hands at the thought of City being in that cup final if only for the support they will bring.<br /><br />-- Thu Sep 02, 2010 2:36 pm --<br /><br />

How much money do you think the City Centre Business made out of the rangers game that day? So are you saying that if we make it to the final in Dublin no city fans should travel without a ticket and if the thousands who will travel without a ticket just to sample the atmosphere then nothing should be laid on for them, although they will be spending lots and lots of money. So by your logic the citys fans who travelled to Blackburn and were parked on that hill some blue moons ago had no right to be there because they had not been lucky enough to buy a ticket. FFS you need to get out more.

I wouldn't travel to a game without a ticket - maybe that's just me and maybe I do need to get out more (then again the mrs might disagree with that).

If we make it to the final in Dublin, then absolutely yes, Dublin council have no obligation to cater for anyone who doesn't have a ticket - why should they?

There have been occasions when I have been away on business but in the same locale as City when we've played midweek. Although being unable to get a ticket for the game, I never once expected the council of that town to erect a big screen and provide bogs for me, just because I was there.

I think the above statement has just lost you any cred in continuing with this argumemt.

 

[Anonymous]

Lost me any 'cred'? Oh dear. Well, seeing as you put it like that I guess I'll have to bow to your superior intellect.

It was genuinely interesting discussing all this with you right up until that point.

 

[BluePurgatory]

Lost me any 'cred'? Oh dear. Well, seeing as you put it like that I guess I'll have to bow to your superior intellect.

It was genuinely interesting discussing all this with you right up until that point.

Not about anyones superior intellect just the fact that you dont seem to know the differnce from a mid week game and a cup final!

 

[Blue-Eyes]

The problem with the fan park argument is the fact that the Semi's were a fortnight before the final so there was no guarentee Rangers were going to make the final.
Could you imagine if Rangers had lost to Fiorentina in the Semi and the council had arranged a massive fan park to cater for 150,000 fans? What if Fiorentina only brought 500 fans - what a waste of time and money that would have been.

I think it was the circumstances surrounding the event rather than anyones "fault".

Rangers' biggest game in decades was taking place three hours away from Glasgow. Loads of Rangers fans thought it would be a good idea to have a day out on the p*ss and things turned a bit hostile.

How often does your team get to a major European Final? How difficult is to to turn up at a train station and get on the train that has "Manchester" on it?
I'm not condoning the actions of the idiots involved but you can't blame the collective group of Rangers fans for coming down here.
I'm pretty certain if City were in a Final at Ibrox, there'd be a fair few of us taking the day off work and having a day out in Glasgow, if rolls were reversed.

As mentioned, the cost of the clean up was a fraction of the amount of revenue that the local economy took.

The top and bottom is that it happened, lessons have been learnt, move on.