RB Leipzig (H) | Post Match Thread

[halfcenturyup]

Heavy touch and Ederson got between man and ball, I think it would have been unfair to book the Leipzig player, it was what is known in reffing parlance as a coming together, Though i disagree, Eddie could have easily walloped it into the top bins from halfway in our half

The Leipzig player was booked for dissent, not being clattered.

Ederson needs to be careful with these challenges, though. He is going to cost us big time one day.

 

[BufordUSABlue]

Goals change the course of games, and when the first two goals are dubious, it's going to affect how the rest of the match plays out. If Leipzig could've kept a clean sheet until the break and Ederson had been shown the red card, who knows what might have happened.

Let me make this clear: City are a WAY better team. They are going to win this fixture 99 out 100 times, especially at the Etihad. But they shouldn't have received those favors from the referee. Leipzig were denied any real shot at this game because of him.

We saw how Milan and Inter went through by digging in and playing ultra defensively (albeit against worse teams). Had a similar referee been in charge of their games, they wouldn't have had a chance.
Such refereeing performances bring the game into a state of disrepute. I don't think it's in City's best interest to win like this either.

In short: Congrats on your advancement. Massive performance. But I don't want to hear you guys ever complain about refs again.

Look you Tarquin buffoon (nothing new there then!) .....
1) We weren't given any 'favors' by the ref, believe me, we are the last team in the universe to get afforded such!
2) Eddie's brainfart, was at very worse a yellow card, there were plenty of players between the Leipzig player and the goal so clearly not a red card offence!
3) The pen was greatly received, dubious maybe and I would have been pissed if it would have been awarded against us and we've had plenty of such in the past, but that's the rules right now and VAR + the Ref agreed that it was handball - so end of story there!
4) With regard to your comment...

If Leipzig could've kept a clean sheet until the break

well its the old "if my Auntie had balls....." !!
5) The only point i will concede is that the ref was indeed abysmal, for both teams actually, as the bookings for the Leipzig player after Eddie's brainfart and KDB's booking, after Jack was fouled only serve to illustrate! But that is so often the norm in the CL, which you may witness yourselves should you make it into there next season.

 

[Brightwell Bros.]

And what was dubious about the first 2 goals? The ball hits an outstretched hand. I hate the handball rules as they are, but the rules say that's a penalty. That's not an interpretation of the rules, that's just the rules.

I sort of prefer the handball rule as interpreted in Europe, truth be told. None of this "spirit of the law" or "intentional/unintentional" mind reading phenomenology. If your arms are up in a weird shape and the ball touches below your sleeve it's a handball.

 

[Big Joe Corrigan]

Look you Tarquin buffoon (nothing new there then!) .....
1) We weren't given any 'favors' by the ref, believe me, we are the last team in the universe to get afforded such!
2) Eddie's brainfart, was at very worse a yellow card, there were plenty of players between the Leipzig player and the goal so clearly not a red card offence!
3) The pen was greatly received, dubious maybe and I would have been pissed if it would have been awarded against us and we've had plenty of such in the past, but that's the rules right now and VAR + the Ref agreed that it was handball - so end of story there!
4) With regard to your comment...

well its the old "if my Auntie had balls....." !!
5) The only point i will concede is that the ref was indeed abysmal, for both teams actually, as the bookings for the Leipzig player after Eddie's brainfart and KDB's booking, after Jack was fouled only serve to illustrate! But that is so often the norm in the CL, which you may witness yourselves should you make it into there next season.

That’s a like just for using the word ‘buffoon’.

 

[BufordUSABlue]

I'm not just saying it because of tonight, I'm saying this because the past 4/5 years in particular he's been absolutely sensational...

John Stones is the best centre back in world football. Genuinely wouldn't take anyone over Stonesy. We are a much much better team when Stones is fit and in our starting 11. He's come on leaps and bounds the last few seasons he has such mature performances now, The first few seasons of "John Stones has a mistake in his game" he has rectified that, He has a massive presence, So composed, His positional sense, Sniffing out danger, Passing between the lines and what I love most about him now he bullies centre forwards he's in charge.

He's fucking immense.

I agree with all this, with Johnny as a CH.
As a fullback, he is sometimes found wanting due to the lack of positional sense, through not being a natural fullback. In the big games, this may well hurt us. However, no doubt the Pepmeister already knows this and will have Walker back from here on in in Europe............ then again, I could be wrong as Pep knows best!

 

[RobinHood]

Erling was immense and obviously deserves MOM, but seeing KDB back to that level was just as satisfying for me.

As an aside; you can forgive Arsenal fans for not having a clue about UCL laws of the game. Its nigh on a decade since they've been in it.

Agreed, and I'd like to add that Bernie was also excellent - never stopped running, unreal, Tevez-esque.

 

[BufordUSABlue]

Deserves a nod tonight having held the record for so long.

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I thought the exact same thing last night!

 

[GaudinoMotors]

I don't know what it means, but i like it

Prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism by an individual, community, or institution against a person or people on the basis of their dynamism.

 

[ballbag]

Agreed, and I'd like to add that Bernie was also excellent - never stopped running, unreal, Tevez-esque.

Yeah he was phenomenal too. There was a part in the game (possibly a few occasions) where I clocked him covering for Ake when he went forward. Proper football brain and team player. Most of them are.

 

[BufordUSABlue]

The Leipzig player was booked for dissent, not being clattered.

Ederson needs to be careful with these challenges, though. He is going to cost us big time one day.

Exactly, his brainfarts are becoming more and more commonplace

 

[Pingu the Penguin]

Well perhaps he should shut his cake hole & concentrate on spending more time with his family... \0/

Oh agree

 

[Lovebitesandeveryfing]

I don't know what it means, but i like it

You are nearly Dick Emery, and I claim four of the five pounds.

 

[BufordUSABlue]

I sort of prefer the handball rule as interpreted in Europe, truth be told. None of this "spirit of the law" or "intentional/unintentional" mind reading phenomenology. If your arms are up in a weird shape and the ball touches below your sleeve it's a handball.

Having joined 'the dark side' after i finished playing here. Handball was probably the most difficult and without doubt the most contentious decision I had to make every game. I went to a few referee's symposiums and this was always a lively topic! If a ball hits a players hand, its handball..... until you factor in, "Intentional or unintentional" and then, as you say, we are in the realms of reading a players mind.
I don't know what the answer is unfortunately, but I don't recall this much controversy back in the day, playing mostly amateur football, it was simply down to the ref who gave it or he didn't. Not sure watching a replay of the incident 12 times helps the decision.

 

[Plays By Sense Of Smell]

Dion Dublins post match report was slightly less upbeat than a suicide note

Whereas imagine the sickeningly triumphant hubris that would have belched forth if this had been a red.

(In Martin Tyler wank mode voice)
'They know how to win - because that's the hallmark of true champions!'

 

[Millo]

Great result, we were superb.
The game had a good tempo to it, with none of the slow sideways and backwards passing of late. We moved it forward a lot quicker.
Haaland outstanding, and KDB back to basics with a bang! Even Gundo managed to get a shot on target.

 

[HelloCity]

Goals change the course of games, and when the first two goals are dubious, it's going to affect how the rest of the match plays out. If Leipzig could've kept a clean sheet until the break and Ederson had been shown the red card, who knows what might have happened.

Let me make this clear: City are a WAY better team. They are going to win this fixture 99 out 100 times, especially at the Etihad. But they shouldn't have received those favors from the referee. Leipzig were denied any real shot at this game because of him.

We saw how Milan and Inter went through by digging in and playing ultra defensively (albeit against worse teams). Had a similar referee been in charge of their games, they wouldn't have had a chance.
Such refereeing performances bring the game into a state of disrepute. I don't think it's in City's best interest to win like this either.

In short: Congrats on your advancement. Massive performance. But I don't want to hear you guys ever complain about refs again.

Remember when you thought you were going to beat us and then, even with a free goal you got from the ref, we ended up beating you quite comfortably? Good times.

 

[halfcenturyup]

Exactly, his brainfarts are becoming more and more commonplace

It's nothing that can't be corrected, but it needs to be brought under a bit of control imo.

 

[Man_City_Loyal]

Imagine being in the “ashburton army”

ooof

 

[Man_City_Loyal]

Actually, I'm pretty sure this guy is an American.

Is it Troopz? Ya dizzy blud

 

[Brightwell Bros.]

Having joined 'the dark side' after i finished playing here. Handball was probably the most difficult and without doubt the most contentious decision I had to make every game. I went to a few referee's symposiums and this was always a lively topic! If a ball hits a players hand, its handball..... until you factor in, "Intentional or unintentional" and then, as you say, we are in the realms of reading a players mind.
I don't know what the answer is unfortunately, but I don't recall this much controversy back in the day, playing mostly amateur football, it was simply down to the ref who gave it or he didn't. Not sure watching a replay of the incident 12 times helps the decision.

All of this is a consequence of VAR which as you is a consequence of improved TV coverage in the 90s. I don't mind the old interpretation either (did it look bad, was it obvious, did it seriously impact attacking play or the direction of the ball), but you can't do that with VAR. For what it's worth, I had no clue what was given in the ground last night and the ref would never have seen it in real time. But as I point out a lot, these rules were created for Victorian school boys having a kick around trying to differentiate how their playground game was different to one down the road: they weren't designed for 8k 120fps cameras from a dozen angles otherwise you'd never create something as vague as "hand ball".