Recovery, what recovery?

RandomJ said:
de niro said:
sorry to break the ban news to you all but the country is flying. I'm proper buzzing. you try getting a tradesman out to do a job, they are all busy building houses and shit.

Wondered when you'd pop up on here. I love how your definition of the country flying is always your business is doing well. While that is great for you and I don't begrudge you doing well for yourself if you actually stuck your head out of your comfortable little bubble you'd see that the vast majority of people are not doing alright and the government is making life even harder for them while at the same time declaring the country is on the mend.

that bubble you mention is called work. plenty of poles working here. how odd?

btw its still incredibly hard in business, you can't fix things overnight. labour brought the country to its knees (nothing new there then).

what I'm saying is there is an upturn. bloody well done Dave.
 
de niro said:
RandomJ said:
de niro said:
sorry to break the ban news to you all but the country is flying. I'm proper buzzing. you try getting a tradesman out to do a job, they are all busy building houses and shit.

Wondered when you'd pop up on here. I love how your definition of the country flying is always your business is doing well. While that is great for you and I don't begrudge you doing well for yourself if you actually stuck your head out of your comfortable little bubble you'd see that the vast majority of people are not doing alright and the government is making life even harder for them while at the same time declaring the country is on the mend.

that bubble you mention is called work. plenty of poles working here. how odd?

btw its still incredibly hard in business, you can't fix things overnight. labour brought the country to its knees (nothing new there then).

what I'm saying is there is an upturn. bloody well done Dave.

Yeah it is funny how so many people can come here from all around the world and find work but so many Brits can't.
 
W12 said:
de niro said:
RandomJ said:
Wondered when you'd pop up on here. I love how your definition of the country flying is always your business is doing well. While that is great for you and I don't begrudge you doing well for yourself if you actually stuck your head out of your comfortable little bubble you'd see that the vast majority of people are not doing alright and the government is making life even harder for them while at the same time declaring the country is on the mend.

that bubble you mention is called work. plenty of poles working here. how odd?

btw its still incredibly hard in business, you can't fix things overnight. labour brought the country to its knees (nothing new there then).

what I'm saying is there is an upturn. bloody well done Dave.

Yeah it is funny how so many people can come here from all around the world and find work but so many Brits can't.

There are a family of Poles in the town here and all of them are grafting. You don't hear them complaining. Fair play to them. Anyone who travels 2000 miles to put a shift in gets a pat on the back.
 
nijinsky's fetlocks said:
de niro said:
sorry to break the ban news to you all but the country is flying. I'm proper buzzing.

...which is Billspeak for - 'I flogged a rug yesterday, and would have sold some carpet cleaner to an old dear, only she was late for her bingo, but maybe she'll come back tomorrow, and some bloke nearly bought a metre of underlay, so clearly the flooring market is Boomsville.
If it gets any busier, I may have to invest in a new Stanley knife'.
The 'proper buzzing' will be down to sniffing carpet adhesive.
A great deal of this much-vaunted 'recovery' is simply massaging figures and sophistry by the Tories, all done to big up their mates in the city, and to con gullible working class Conservatives like Bill that the good times are just around the corner.
They probably are Bill - just not for blokes like you, who will one day keel over lugging some cheap offcut into the shop, whilst the bell ends you spent a lifetime voting for merely order more Champagne and wonder who's kid they'll fuck next.

Tony hasn't done too bad for himself has he.

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de niro said:
RandomJ said:
de niro said:
sorry to break the ban news to you all but the country is flying. I'm proper buzzing. you try getting a tradesman out to do a job, they are all busy building houses and shit.

Wondered when you'd pop up on here. I love how your definition of the country flying is always your business is doing well. While that is great for you and I don't begrudge you doing well for yourself if you actually stuck your head out of your comfortable little bubble you'd see that the vast majority of people are not doing alright and the government is making life even harder for them while at the same time declaring the country is on the mend.

that bubble you mention is called work. plenty of poles working here. how odd?

btw its still incredibly hard in business, you can't fix things overnight. labour brought the country to its knees (nothing new there then).

what I'm saying is there is an upturn. bloody well done Dave.


I agree with Bill. I have been involved in the retail trade since the late 1960's, and have seen it all, boom, bust, boom, bust, the endless cycle.

Now between 2007-2013 it has been tough, very tough, you don't have to be a rocket scientist to see that..just look in your average high street, Rochdale has gone to the dogs, as has Ashton and Oldham, compared to it's bustling hey day in the 60's and seventies. Bury is doing OK, but still almost a quarter of the units in the Mill Gate centre are vacant.

But, as I said earlier, things are definitely looking up, you can tell there's an air of confidence with a lot of people that wasn't there three years ago.
 
More Tory smoke and mirrors.
Wages are lower than they were in 2008 - no recovery there.
GDP as a whole is higher but per capita it isn't. This is because we have more people on the jobs market chasing not so many jobs.
Around two thirds of the "jobs" created in the last 5 years have been self - employed positions , with all the insecurity that those bring - but it gets the headline figures down.
Economic boom being fuelled by an unsustainable house price boom , particularly in the south and South East , leading to increased debt levels as people over stretch their finances to buy homes at rapidly inflating prices. Then the bills start arriving ,leading to panic and a stop in spending leading to recession.
Of course , there could have been more money in the public purse , had this government of empty suits got a reasonable price for Royal Mail when they flogged it off , but hey , their mates in the city made fortunes at the taxpayers' expense , so that's all right.
Business as usual .
 
Bodicoteblue said:
More Tory smoke and mirrors.
Wages are lower than they were in 2008 - no recovery there.
GDP as a whole is higher but per capita it isn't. This is because we have more people on the jobs market chasing not so many jobs.
Around two thirds of the "jobs" created in the last 5 years have been self - employed positions , with all the insecurity that those bring - but it gets the headline figures down.
Economic boom being fuelled by an unsustainable house price boom , particularly in the south and South East , leading to increased debt levels as people over stretch their finances to buy homes at rapidly inflating prices. Then the bills start arriving ,leading to panic and a stop in spending leading to recession.
Of course , there could have been more money in the public purse , had this government of empty suits got a reasonable price for Royal Mail when they flogged it off , but hey , their mates in the city made fortunes at the taxpayers' expense , so that's all right.
Business as usual .

Yep, They got us into this mess, and we're giving them credit for them getting us out of it.
 
ColinBellsjockstrap said:
de niro said:
RandomJ said:
Wondered when you'd pop up on here. I love how your definition of the country flying is always your business is doing well. While that is great for you and I don't begrudge you doing well for yourself if you actually stuck your head out of your comfortable little bubble you'd see that the vast majority of people are not doing alright and the government is making life even harder for them while at the same time declaring the country is on the mend.

that bubble you mention is called work. plenty of poles working here. how odd?

btw its still incredibly hard in business, you can't fix things overnight. labour brought the country to its knees (nothing new there then).

what I'm saying is there is an upturn. bloody well done Dave.


I agree with Bill. I have been involved in the retail trade since the late 1960's, and have seen it all, boom, bust, boom, bust, the endless cycle.

Now between 2007-2013 it has been tough, very tough, you don't have to be a rocket scientist to see that..just look in your average high street, Rochdale has gone to the dogs, as has Ashton and Oldham, compared to it's bustling hey day in the 60's and seventies. Bury is doing OK, but still almost a quarter of the units in the Mill Gate centre are vacant.

But, as I said earlier, things are definitely looking up, you can tell there's an air of confidence with a lot of people that wasn't there three years ago.

still a slog but its on the mend.
 
RandomJ said:
Recovery means their rich mates are starting to make money again. Us working class plebs meanwhile continue to struggle with zero help.
What help would you like?
 

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