Red Cafe in meltdown

Really_here said:
If being a big club means winning things recently then Leeds were bigger than City in the 70's. By the same token Untied and Spurs are not big clubs anymore and City are bigger than anyone. Troy Deaney is a prat.
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The Salford lad. said:
The same Leeds who’s record EVER crowd is wait for it 57000
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And the Crowds went down to below 10,000 in the Leslie Silver era
 
Leeds were a classic case of a club that has had one very successful era, one brief flirtation with being a consistent Div1/PL club and not a lot else. But growing up (as I did) in the 60's/70's it felt like they had always been successful and they did gather lots of fans around the country. But in truth it was a ten year period 1964-1974, in which they won the league twice, were constantly in the top 3. won the league cup, the FA Cup and should have won the European Cup. But by 1982 they were relegated and reverted to what they have always been a club that bounces between 1st and 2nd Division with the 1992 league win as an anomaly. They have never been able to sustain that success and it is probably only those of us who remember them from the 60's/70's who can even imagine that they could do so.
 
Really_here said:
from today

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I don’t know where we go from here.

The manager is too rigid with his system and to say there is no plan B is wild. The best managers will adapt their tactics for certain games rather than playing their system regardless. It seems like he’s already starting to lose the dressing room due to the worst run of games from any manager in living memory, including Ralf.

People say it’s the players but they’re not the same players that did it with Mourinho and Ole so to keep blaming them seems daft. I do think our squad is the worst I’ve ever seen, mind but it foes feel like they’re decent before they get here and then decent after they leave.

The ownership has (rightly) been criticised previously and I was so excited to have a breath of fresh air with Radcliffe but he’s come in like a bull in a china shop and the morale at the whole club seems lower than ever. He wanted to put the Manchester back in United but wants us to pay London prices for tickets and cuts things like the £40k we gave to charity to look after previous players which is a drop in the ocean. Some things shouldn’t be touched.

So we currently have a stubborn manager, awful players that seem to do better the second they’re not playing for us and a ruthless owner with pipe line dreams of a new stadium and a magic money tree.

The whole club is a rotten soap opera that is the media’s wet dream. We’re just missing a suspicious murder and we’re a novella.

It’s all shit.

Anyway, see you next Wednesday to do it all again…"


Not happy is he??
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Should be see u next Tuesday
 
cyan said:
Leeds were a classic case of a club that has had one very successful era, one brief flirtation with being a consistent Div1/PL club and not a lot else. But growing up (as I did) in the 60's/70's it felt like they had always been successful and they did gather lots of fans around the country. But in truth it was a ten year period 1964-1974, in which they won the league twice, were constantly in the top 3. won the league cup, the FA Cup and should have won the European Cup. But by 1982 they were relegated and reverted to what they have always been a club that bounces between 1st and 2nd Division with the 1992 league win as an anomaly. They have never been able to sustain that success and it is probably only those of us who remember them from the 60's/70's who can even imagine that they could do so.
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They've spent as many years outside the top division as they have in it over the course of the clubs history iirc.
 
dave_blue12 said:
A delicious post from this morning. Enjoy blues !

Post in thread 'Club ownership | Senior management team talk'
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/club-ownership-senior-management-team-talk.484569/post-32968295

I fear we are in the worst possible case scenario. SJR is able to oversee decisions that the Glazers would never have been able to get away with. Had the Glazers made half the decisions Ineos have since taking over (penny pinching, redundancies, price rises, SAF, etc) there would have been literal protests to shut down games and disrupt the club. But Ineos can do it because the Glazers have managed to structure their ownership in such a way that seemingly now absolves them of any footballing responsibilities of the club.

I'm sorry, you have to be willing to swallow a pretty big PR pill to buy that one. What other football club have 75% majority owners who get a free pass on the one part of the club fans actually care about? The Glazers must be fecking laughing all the way to the bank. In spite of everything, they have "successfully" overseen such a demise of the club that we are able to rationalize us sitting just above the relegation area with a new manager incapable of winning games in the league, and the majority of fans are happy to accept us gutting our squad and replacing multiple outs with an unknown LB from Lecce. All this without a peep from match going fans - just apathetic acceptance of our demise.

We are beyond mediocre. Imagine if Madrid, Barca or Bayern fans were watching this at their clubs? I guarantee the response would be different and success would be a season or two away from returning. But we are kidding ourselves if we think we can be talked about along the lines of those clubs really. Our history is probably best confined to two unbelievably successful managers, and regular domestic cup success beyond that.

We have absolutely plummeted down the football hierarchy and we will likely be going into next season aiming to avoid relegation above all else. Absolutely dead.
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Thanks, was looking for a pick me up.

EDIT : Read the Financial doping City thread, oh the irony. They are convinced we are getting a big points deduction too.
Going to visit a lot more in future, some good posters who understand football but most are just hilarious.
 
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dave_blue12 said:
A delicious post from this morning. Enjoy blues !

Post in thread 'Club ownership | Senior management team talk'
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/club-ownership-senior-management-team-talk.484569/post-32968295

I fear we are in the worst possible case scenario. SJR is able to oversee decisions that the Glazers would never have been able to get away with. Had the Glazers made half the decisions Ineos have since taking over (penny pinching, redundancies, price rises, SAF, etc) there would have been literal protests to shut down games and disrupt the club. But Ineos can do it because the Glazers have managed to structure their ownership in such a way that seemingly now absolves them of any footballing responsibilities of the club.

I'm sorry, you have to be willing to swallow a pretty big PR pill to buy that one. What other football club have 75% majority owners who get a free pass on the one part of the club fans actually care about? The Glazers must be fecking laughing all the way to the bank. In spite of everything, they have "successfully" overseen such a demise of the club that we are able to rationalize us sitting just above the relegation area with a new manager incapable of winning games in the league, and the majority of fans are happy to accept us gutting our squad and replacing multiple outs with an unknown LB from Lecce. All this without a peep from match going fans - just apathetic acceptance of our demise.

We are beyond mediocre. Imagine if Madrid, Barca or Bayern fans were watching this at their clubs? I guarantee the response would be different and success would be a season or two away from returning. But we are kidding ourselves if we think we can be talked about along the lines of those clubs really. Our history is probably best confined to two unbelievably successful managers, and regular domestic cup success beyond that.

We have absolutely plummeted down the football hierarchy and we will likely be going into next season aiming to avoid relegation above all else. Absolutely dead.
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I'm sorry, but that HAS to be written by a lurking Blue. Particularly the bit about only having 2 successful managers and domestic cup success.

Even if it's not, it's absolutely bang on
 
FogBlueInSanFran said:
It’s why I feel lucky in the U.S. to have Mustoe, Earle and Howard doing most of our pre/post match commentary on NBC/USA/Peacock. Largely thoughtful, reasonable and unbiased. Good mix of praise and criticism.
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I'm usually on the same page as you Foggy, but I personally think Earle is the only one who ever praises City and Pep, Howard can't hide the fact that he played for the scum,but will criticize them when warranted, and Mustoe is just an idiot.
One man's opinion.
 
jrb said:
The Rags in work are clinging on to 115 like a sinking life boat. That and Wednesday night.
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Sad cunts. If we were relegated tomorrow that would just mean they are 14th instead of 15th. Also, at least if we get spanked on Wednesday it will be by the current holders and not some team of farmers on a Thursday. How the mighty have fallen.
 
deegee33 said:
I'm usually on the same page as you Foggy, but I personally think Earle is the only one who ever praises City and Pep, Howard can't hide the fact that he played for the scum,but will criticize them when warranted, and Mustoe is just an idiot.
One man's opinion.
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I don’t see it that way, but reasonable people are allowed to disagree. I agree I do like Earle best of the three though. But let’s face it — relative to what the Brits have much of the time, we are lucky.
 
FogBlueInSanFran said:
It’s why I feel lucky in the U.S. to have Mustoe, Earle and Howard doing most of our pre/post match commentary on NBC/USA/Peacock. Largely thoughtful, reasonable and unbiased. Good mix of praise and criticism.
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I struggle with all three of them and find Higginbotham(!!) the best analyst and, might I add, the absolute worst dresser!! I especially like his half time discussion of games, as I think he provides the best analysis and insights into what to expect in the second half.

Of the three mentioned, Earle is the fairest, but I find them all so reflexive. They often peddle the same narratives as the English pundits, because they feed off the same sky sources and Ornstein, etc…

Mustoe does a decent job of discussing tactics, but he clearly doesn’t like City.

Howard is a well dressed vacuum, but a darling because he checks so many boxes.

Truth be told, apart from some of her takes on The Lowe Down, I find Rebecca Lowe’s input as insightful as any of the three.

However, given your post was a comparison, and I have yet to see Joe Hart as a pundit, they’re a breath of fresh air compared to all the red-tinted specs on UK TV coverage.

Ironically, I’ve always liked Souness and Keane as analysts, because regardless of the teams they played for, they can look past it and say it like it is.

Lastly, I’d rather listen to nails on a chalkboard than “Big Meeks & Spitter” on CBS & Paramount. Absolute clowns!
 
ChicagoBlue said:
I struggle with all three of them and find Higginbotham(!!) the best analyst and, might I add, the absolute worst dresser!! I especially like his half time discussion of games, as I think he provides the best analysis and insights into what to expect in the second half.

Of the three mentioned, Earle is the fairest, but I find them all so reflexive. They often peddle the same narratives as the English pundits, because they feed off the same sky sources and Ornstein, etc…

Mustoe does a decent job of discussing tactics, but he clearly doesn’t like City.

Howard is a well dressed vacuum, but a darling because he checks so many boxes.

Truth be told, apart from some of her takes on The Lowe Down, I find Rebecca Lowe’s input as insightful as any of the three.

However, given your post was a comparison, and I have yet to see Joe Hart as a pundit, they’re a breath of fresh air compared to all the red-tinted specs on UK TV coverage.

Ironically, I’ve always liked Souness and Keane as analysts, because regardless of the teams they played for, they can look past it and say it like it is.

Lastly, I’d rather listen to nails on a chalkboard than “Big Meeks & Spitter” on CBS & Paramount. Absolute clowns!
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Agree on Lowe, Higginbotham and Souness, but Danny gets dinged because he’s willing to go on Sirius XM and engage with that absolute fishstick Tom Rennie, who I hate with the passion of 1,000 suns. Not only is there not a person of Arab descent he hasn’t stereotyped, but he detests City, and his schtick is infuriatingly stupid. He is a fucking clown on every level and the inevitable day he gets sacked will be an unbridled joy, that bald piece of shit. Charlie Stilletano also hates City and Rocky Ray Hudson’s act is soooooo oooollllldddd. Don’t get me started on Eric Wynalda either.

Also we need to compare them to the god-awful crew on ESPN with Burley, Hilsop, that old Liverpool turd, the stealing-a-living Alejandro “I Don’t Need To Watch Matches To Comment On Them” Moreno and that smarmy dickhead who serves as the host (I forget his name and don’t care).
 
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FogBlueInSanFran said:
Agree on Lowe, Higginbotham and Souness, but Danny gets dinged because he’s willing to go on Sirius XM and engage with that absolute fishstick Tom Rennie, who I hate with the passion of 1,000 suns. Not only is there not a person of Arab descent he hasn’t stereotyped, but he detests City, and his schtick is infuriatingly stupid. He is a fucking clown on every level and the inevitable day he gets sacked will be an unbridled joy, that bald piece of shit. Charlie Stilletano also hates City and Rocky Ray Hudson’s act is soooooo oooollllldddd. Don’t get me started on Eric Wynalda either.

Also we need to compare them to the god-awful crew on ESPN with Burley, Hilsop, that old Liverpool turd, the stealing-a-living Alejandro “I Don’t Need To Watch Matches To Comment On Them” Moreno and that smarmy dickhead who serves as the host (I forget his name and don’t care).
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Wow! Let it out… :-D

Don’t listen to Sirius or know some of those names.
Don’t care for the ESPN crew, unless Nedum is on there (I forgot about him! Like him v v much!)
Ale Moreno is the absolute worst!
Burley is good for a laugh sometimes because he’s do cranky he sometimes has a pop at someone!
Hudson’s commentary feels secondary to him shoehorning in a good scream of one of his bullshit, oh so NOT funny, phrases (ARRRGGGHHH!! Shoot me now!)

Tbh, to get my daily dose I read the BBC every day, use NewsNow for aggregation (although that’s becoming worse and worse clickbait), read the MUEN coverage, and key phrase Man City or anyone in the news to get more broad coverage.

I also have an online subscription to Four Four Two that often doesn’t get read if the front cover doesn’t interest me!

I rarely have the TV commentary volume above about 2, so it’s not silent and you get a little atmosphere without listening to the constant droning of BOTH the commentator and the ex-pro providing color. It’s all so formulaic and I’m sure any halfway decent fan could do just as good of a job!

Lots of people stealing a living off football these days, but it is a very big business, and growing!

One hopes the quality will improve, but maybe Hope really is just a town in Arkansas?!
 
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