Ref Watch City Games - 2023/24

We can agree to disagree if you like mate -
I agree it was a complete disaster of a decision no idea why it was made I didn’t make it
However if you want decisions explaining it would go on forever there are so many in each game
I would like to know why the Akanji goal v Liverpool was ruled out and why the Akanji penalty shout yesterday wasn’t given both similar force in my opinion
I would like to know why time wasting and kicking the ball away it appears is selectively punished yesterday
However I don’t want to know why the Everton handball that led to a penalty that gave us points that won the league was - not interested in that
I don’t want to know why the Liverpool goal v Spurs was ruled out - that’s suited me as well
I want to know why Milner didn’t receive a red a Liverpool (numerous yellow) when Bernardo got one for the same foul/handball at Anfield
My point being across the league yesterday there would’ve been so many contentious decisions That is excluding the absolute legendary whoppers we all know about.
The answer is the standard of officiating including VAR is baffling and poor and needs rectifying we all want consistency and clarity
There are jobs and money and livelihoods on the line and very little blowback
What will happen the ref gets a weeks rest
My opinion it was a terrible decision not a corrupt one
I don't expect PGMOL to explain the reasons for every decision, however this was a truly exceptional decision that has caused complete confusion amongst pundits and players alike.

Once again, I'm not calling corruption, but people will question if that could be a plausible reason in the absence of some sort of explanation as to why such a dubious looking decision was made.
 
A few posters have definitely drunk the Premier League / PIGMOL coolaid, there's not 1% chance that happens at Dipper land, Emirates or the swamp. Khaldoon would say 'clear and obvious'.
The fact that Hooper hasn't been dropped says it all. In my opinion there is unconscious corruption in the Premier League, I don't believe anything would have been said between the parties involved but they know which side their bread is buttered. It's been going on ever since the Premier League was started.
 
They have said they consider it human error and that he'll ref his next scheduled game as normal.

It's also nothing like as serious an error as the Liverpool one.
I'll have to agree to disagree. This was an unprecedented error. The fact that there is no rational explanation for such a conscious decision MUST, for the integrity of the game, warrant an explanation, and that explanation cannot be just 'he made a mistake'. Hooper had a thought process in that passage of play, the least city are due is an explanation of that thought process. If his explanation is "I didn't see Grealish" then fine, people may disagree but we all just then move on.
 
1) It was a terrible decision.

2) The reaction by our players was unacceptable.

3) These two views can both be true

Yesterday, the U15 match where I was a lino was halted (& then restarted) because of foul language and allegations of corruption directed at the ref and linesmen by players. It doesn't need to be this way - but I believe that the standard set by the Premier League players cascades to lower levels and junior football. Sadly I'd support sanctions against our players
More than a terrible decision
You expect the players to not react? In my view they were pretty restrained considering that a possible winning goal was stopped by a referee who, all game had applied the laws differently deepening on the color of the shirt that was bad enough but, to do what he did at the end I can only congratulate them. Now the PL have said he won't be stepped down They guy has history for major cock-ups

I take the point about grass roots football and the influence from the professionals BUT imho its more a reflection of society than their influence. If they all behaved like absolute angles then, do you truly believe that the issues at grassroots would go away? Yeah sure
 
I'll have to agree to disagree. This was an unprecedented error. The fact that there is no rational explanation for such a conscious decision MUST, for the integrity of the game, warrant an explanation, and that explanation cannot be just 'he made a mistake'. Hooper had a thought process in that passage of play, the least city are due is an explanation of that thought process. If his explanation is "I didn't see Grealish" then fine, people may disagree but we all just then move on.
This was a really poor decision, but arguments about playing/not playing advantage happen all the time. It was definitely a bad one, but worse than the Liverpool goal being ruled out? No way.

This "thought process" from deciding not to whistle for the first foul, playing advantage, and then blowing, lasted about 1 second.

The Liverpool goal was a couple of minutes of discussion, and took half a dozen people to fuck up. Just look at how long it took for it to register that they'd made the wrong decision once the free kick is given. A lot longer than the 1 second that Hooper took over making three separate decisions. He should have waited, but humans often make the wrong decision under time pressure.

All the people suggesting someone gave Hooper instructions, should rewatch the Liverpool video, and see just how unlikely it is that someone can react that fast and pass on a message that's acted upon.
 
Just watched the regular 'Ref Watch' spot on SSN with dermot gallagher. He said a bunch of stuff, basically along the lines off. 'the poor referee made a mistake, he will be judged for a split second decision, everyone makes mistakes etc.'

Two interesting takes for me though were;

1. He couldn't explain as an ex referee why hooper chose to blow at that point.

2. He said what's surprised him the most is that out of all the PL referees, Hooper is the one that always plays the advantage. He couldn't understand why he didn't in this case
More evidence from his mate
 
This was a really poor decision, but arguments about playing/not playing advantage happen all the time. It was definitely a bad one, but worse than the Liverpool goal being ruled out? No way.

This "thought process" from deciding not to whistle for the first foul, playing advantage, and then blowing, lasted about 1 second.

The Liverpool goal was a couple of minutes of discussion, and took half a dozen people to fuck up. Just look at how long it took for it to register that they'd made the wrong decision once the free kick is given. A lot longer than the 1 second that Hooper took over making three separate decisions. He should have waited, but humans often make the wrong decision under time pressure.
I agree. Comparing the two is like comparing apples and oranges, you can't, as they're completely different, BUT they're both still fruit and these are both still two monumental errors. At least with the Liverpool one you can understand what actually happened, with this one, nobody understands and nobody ever will if they don't explain.
 
Again are we reading too much into that ?
Every team suffers bad decisions it is the human nature of sport
We also get away with some ( Rodri at Everton was that corrupt ? )
I’m sure in an ideal world the PL would want different winners and excitement to grow the brand and keep the cash coming in
How that filters down to the ref would be near impossible
It would most certainly be leaked
Another poster who can remember the only decision we've had in the last, probably, ten years. And that one was offside before the possible handball.
Yawn, yawn, fucking yawn and fucking yawn a second time
 

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