Ref Watch City Games - 2023/24

Poor performance from the ref tonight. Two points, what was Pep booked for and why when their players fell over did he stop play but carried on when ours were fouled off the ball?
 
The problem you’ve got with the unwashed masses and some of the blind on here is they think that the corruption downer happen because we get a few bad decisions, or we don’t get a red card for every challenge or concede a penalty every time.
it’s all about plausible deniability that’s why they’re fine with refs being called incompetent, var flawed and making rules nonsensical and open to interpretation, the more gray areas and “issues” the more they can push whatever agenda they may have.

Maybe it’s not against us, maybe it is, maybe it’s asset protection. maybe it’s simply some big movers having big money on big results and want to see it happen.
At some level corruption will exist because there’s simply too much money involved for there to not be, all the dodgy stuff going on around the round in virtually every field imaginable and we’re to believe the ref outfit for a league, who’s top executives get interviewed by (only) two of the leagues teams and have even forced into taking action against a team simply investing in themselves because others threw a tantrum, is squeaky clean? Not a chance.

For me what’s weird is how bad our players reactions has been this year, Rodri getting a red (a straight one for violence!) and pep being booked in back to back games. We’re going to be on the receiving end of a lot of shit decisions this year and if we react like this every time how many points might we drop? How many teams start trying to purposely wind us up?

Fuck the refs and fuck the establishment! The only way to beat them is to keep winning
 
TheThirdDeano said:
The problem you’ve got with the unwashed masses and some of the blind on here is they think that the corruption downer happen because we get a few bad decisions, or we don’t get a red card for every challenge or concede a penalty every time.
it’s all about plausible deniability that’s why they’re fine with refs being called incompetent, var flawed and making rules nonsensical and open to interpretation, the more gray areas and “issues” the more they can push whatever agenda they may have.

Maybe it’s not against us, maybe it is, maybe it’s asset protection. maybe it’s simply some big movers having big money on big results and want to see it happen.
At some level corruption will exist because there’s simply too much money involved for there to not be, all the dodgy stuff going on around the round in virtually every field imaginable and we’re to believe the ref outfit for a league, who’s top executives get interviewed by (only) two of the leagues teams and have even forced into taking action against a team simply investing in themselves because others threw a tantrum, is squeaky clean? Not a chance.

For me what’s weird is how bad our players reactions has been this year, Rodri getting a red (a straight one for violence!) and pep being booked in back to back games. We’re going to be on the receiving end of a lot of shit decisions this year and if we react like this every time how many points might we drop? How many teams start trying to purposely wind us up?

Fuck the refs and fuck the establishment! The only way to beat them is to keep winning
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I said at the beginning of the season we would be on the wrong end of this "higher bar" for physicality in games and so it is proving. I was thinking mostly as a way to stop Haaland, but it's now too easy to use this "higher bar" to even up games. You ask why City discipline seems to be worse? You have the answer there. Same answer against Forest at the weekend, but the defence held out. Taylor lost control of that match because of it, and Kavanagh nearly did the same last night. The club either has to accept that we will get knocked about when we are controlling games, or get more blatantly physical as that is accepted for the opposition. All IMO, of course.
 
halfcenturyup said:
I said at the beginning of the season we would be on the wrong end of this "higher bar" for physicality in games and so it is proving. I was thinking mostly as a way to stop Haaland, but it's now too easy to use this "higher bar" to even up games. You ask why City discipline seems to be worse? You have the answer there. Same answer against Forest at the weekend, but the defence held out. Taylor lost control of that match because of it, and Kavanagh nearly did the same last night. The club either has to accept that we will get knocked about when we are controlling games, or get more blatantly physical as that is accepted for the opposition. All IMO, of course.
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You’re right and I agree mate! But the issue we have now is we aren’t allowed to be physical at all. The first player to get booked after 18 mins was akanji.
Our players are usually first in the book preventing us from getting physical at all. Meanwhile it takes about 7 bad fouls before there’s even a verbal to the opponents!!
 
TheThirdDeano said:
You’re right and I agree mate! But the issue we have now is we aren’t allowed to be physical at all. The first player to get booked after 18 mins was akanji.
Our players are usually first in the book preventing us from getting physical at all. Meanwhile it takes about 7 bad fouls before there’s even a verbal to the opponents!!
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And that is why referees lose control. Players aren't stupid. They know when the rules are being applied unfairly to them - it would take superhuman patience to be knocked around like they were against Forest or at the start of the second half against Newcastle and not be provoked. And the opposition can sense when they can get away with stuff, so they crank it up. Add in the "new" "clampdown on dissent" and how selectively it is applied and you get a perfect storm of injustice that sees Rodri and very nearly Ederson sent off in the weekend, and Akanji walking a tightrope last night. Guardiola sees it. Hence two yellow cards.

And this bollocks from some people on here that we just lost because we didn't create enough. It is right in one respect, of course, but it is missing the point.

This stuff will cost us in a big game soon. Arsenal would be my guess. And not just because Rodri is missing.
 
The sad part is that the refs are clamping down on the “soft” crap and being much more lenient on the “hard” crap. There needs to be a happy medium, but most refs don’t play, so miss half the nightly shit that pisses players off.

It’s like EVERY “clampdown” they announce. They do it for a bit, then it falls by the wayside. Remember when holding in the box from corners and free kicks was a thing? Today? You almost have to get shot to draw an offensive foul, but if you sneeze on a defender, it’s a foul!

Akanji got a yellow card for telling the ref the foul happened because he was pushed into his own man to give up possession. Yellow card! Yet, you see players effing and jeffing at Refs all the time and NOTHING is done!

Even our own fans are at it though, calling out our own players for physicality! Phillips made a good, strong tackle and caught the NUFC player on the foot. Ref didn’t even give a foul initially, then gets talked into a yellow card. It was a GREAT TACKLE! Yes, he caught the player, but it wasn’t reckless, it wasn’t over the ball, it was just a good, strong, “I’m winning it” tackle that did exactly that!
 
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