Bald fraud
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Both pens for me. Look at varans face as he turns around and sees martinez Barge haaland in the back just as the ball is about to drop on his head. His look says oh shit! He knows it’s a pen!
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Ref Watch City Games - 2023/24
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the-ecstacy-of-eight
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Yep, and the same faces were on show (plus a few players with their arms up pleading for the ref not to give it) after the Mainoo bearhug and grapple to the floor incident.Both pens for me. Look at varans face as he turns around and sees martinez Barge haaland in the back just as the ball is about to drop on his head. His look says oh shit! He knows it’s a pen!
Both penalties and both red cards if the law is applied as no attempt to play the ball in either, Mainoo was also on a yellow card at the time too.
Dave Ewing's Back 'eader
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We have more chance of sky blue pigs flying over Wembley than the LotG being applied as they are written.Yep, and the same faces were on show (plus a few players with their arms up pleading for the ref not to give it) after the Mainoo bearhug and grapple to the floor incident.
Both penalties and both red cards if the law is applied as no attempt to play the ball in either, Mainoo was also on a yellow card at the time too.
Dave Ewing's Back 'eader
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We had our ration of red cards when the Ginger Pig was given his marching orders in 2011! We've got another twenty years to go. Remember how long it was to get a pen at The Swamp - think it was summat like 30yrs+.Yep, and the same faces were on show (plus a few players with their arms up pleading for the ref not to give it) after the Mainoo bearhug and grapple to the floor incident.
Both penalties and both red cards if the law is applied as no attempt to play the ball in either, Mainoo was also on a yellow card at the time too.
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We had our ration of red cards when the Ginger Pig was given his marching orders in 2011! We've got another twenty years to go. Remember how long it was to get a pen at The Swamp - think it was summat like 30yrs+.
Even if, for the sake of argument, it’s agreed that they both should have been penalties, neither was even remotely close to an offence that would justify a red card.
the-ecstacy-of-eight
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I'm sorry mate, but...Even if, for the sake of argument, it’s agreed that they both should have been penalties, neither was even remotely close to an offence that would justify a red card.
DENYING A GOAL OR AN OBVIOUS GOAL-SCORING OPPORTUNITY (DOGSO)
Where a player commits an offence against an opponent within their own penalty area which denies an opponent an obvious goal-scoring opportunity and the referee awards a penalty kick, the offender is cautioned if the offence was an attempt to play the ball or a challenge for the ball; in all other circumstances (e.g. holding, pulling, pushing, no possibility to play the ball etc.), the offending player must be sent off.
What was Martinez's little push? An honest attempt to play the ball?
What was Mainoo's bearhug and grapple to the floor? An attempt to challenge for the ball or an attempt to hold the attacker?
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I'm sorry mate, but...
DENYING A GOAL OR AN OBVIOUS GOAL-SCORING OPPORTUNITY (DOGSO)
Where a player commits an offence against an opponent within their own penalty area which denies an opponent an obvious goal-scoring opportunity and the referee awards a penalty kick, the offender is cautioned if the offence was an attempt to play the ball or a challenge for the ball; in all other circumstances (e.g. holding, pulling, pushing, no possibility to play the ball etc.), the offending player must be sent off.
What was Martinez's little push? An honest attempt to play the ball?
What was Mainoo's bearhug and grapple to the floor? An attempt to challenge for the ball or an attempt to hold the attacker?
There used to be a specification that for a DOGSO a player had to be in control of the ball and heading towards goal. I think that was removed because in cases where a player knocked the ball sideways to go round the ‘keeper and was taken out, they weren’t been sent off because the ball wasn’t heading in the direction of the goal. Even though it was clearly still a clear goal scoring opportunity.
The new considerations are now
*Distance between the player and the goal.
*General direction of play.
*Likelihood of keeping or gaining control of the ball.
*Location and number of defenders.
So technically, yes you could just about make a case that a defender holding down a player as a cross is coming in fits in to those considerations.
But while there is usually always an exception to the rule, I honestly can’t ever remember a player being sent off in anything even remotely similar to those Haaland incidents.
There’s so much that’s got to happen even without him being fouled for a goal to be scored, that no referee is ever going to consider that a DOGSO.
Assuming that he even thinks it’s enough for a foul at all obviously, which this one didn’t.