Ref Watch

[r.soleofsalford]

People who think there's a conspiracy need their heads checking. It's ineptitude and inconsistency, pure and simple

Are we forgetting that we've been on the right end of 50/50 decisions a few times this season? Just as recently as two games ago

Are you talking about Ederson by chance ?

 

[TonyColemansbagofapples]

Because it could have been seen as Ederson kicking his boot.

That one was a genuine 50/50. I can remember lots of decisions in our favour, but not any other 50/50s.

The forum is yours. Enlighten us to them all.

 

[Chris in London]

The forum is yours. Enlighten us to them all.

You seriously think we haven’t had any decisions at all? Not even one?

My god, give your head a wobble

 

[Blue Mist]

People who think there's a conspiracy need their heads checking. It's ineptitude and inconsistency, pure and simple

Are we forgetting that we've been on the right end of 50/50 decisions a few times this season? Just as recently as two games ago

If they want to stop people believing in a conspiracy they have a very easy answer. Be open and honest. Tell us who the match commander is, what they can hear, (just the ref ? all 4 officials ? Gary Neville!) Can a var official ask/demand every camera angle or is he just shown certain ones ? If he doesn't see them all, who chooses which he sees?

3 years in and no football fan knows the answer to ANY of those questions. No wonder they think its bent.
One thing I've learnt in life is when someone tells me it's ok trust me they are usually lying.

 

[cleavers]

If they want to stop people believing in a conspiracy they have a very easy answer. Be open and honest. Tell us who the match commander is, what they can hear, (just the ref ? all 4 officials ? Gary Neville!) Can a var official ask/demand every camera angle or is he just shown certain ones ? If he doesn't see them all, who chooses which he sees?

3 years in and no football fan knows the answer to ANY of those questions. No wonder they think its bent.
One thing I've learnt in life is when someone tells me it's ok trust me they are usually lying.

And if not then its probably not trustworthy ;-)

 

[nellyonthewing]

Favouritism has been around for many years .Just that we have never been a beneficiary.

 

[lasereyes]

Because it could have been seen as Ederson kicking his boot.

That one was a genuine 50/50. I can remember lots of decisions in our favour, but not any other 50/50s.

Ederson didn't kick his boot - physical impossibility as his foot was trapped under Odergaard's. There are many freeze frames of this all over the internet

 

[Chris in London]

Ederson didn't kick his boot - physical impossibility as his foot was trapped under Odergaard's. There are many freeze frames of this all over the internet

They made contact with each other before either touched the ball. Whether Ederson fouled Odergard or Odergard fouled Ederson is subjective. That’s why it was a 50/50 call that VAR could not overturn. I can’t think of any other 50/50 calls that have gone our way.

 

[Gobshiight]

Bollocks. Don't forget to wipe your mouth when you go for a shit.

It's just a shame people are so insecure that they think the FA could take the league away from what's possibly the best team the country has ever seen

A lot of the same people laugh at the scousers / united for believing similar bollocks

 

[Gobshiight]

Are you talking about Ederson by chance ?

That was one that sprung to mind. Right decision in the end but it could easily have been given, especially if there was a conspiracy

I was surprised VAR gave us the wolves penalty as well

 

[tommy116]

You seriously think we haven’t had any decisions at all? Not even one?

My god, give your head a wobble

Dont think anybody disputes that, but do you think the dippers or rags would not of got that peno or had the player sent off?

 

[Jesus H Gabz]

They made contact with each other before either touched the ball. Whether Ederson fouled Odergard or Odergard fouled Ederson is subjective. That’s why it was a 50/50 call that VAR could not overturn. I can’t think of any other 50/50 calls that have gone our way.

Given Odegaard’s foot planted on Ederson’s shin I’d say it was a free kick the other way, I can’t ever remember in the history of football, a player giving a free kick or pen away when his shin has connected with another players studs, don’t be sucked in by the “seen em given narrative” that has been used against us so efficiently over the years or “he’s been stupid/an idiot”

 

[Jesus H Gabz]

You seriously think we haven’t had any decisions at all? Not even one?

My god, give your head a wobble

We have, but only as a pre-cursor to giving the red shirts a massive leg up

 

[andthesunshineband]

Will be interesting to hear Dozy Dermot's justification tod.......sorry scratch that out.

 

[Chris in London]

Dont think anybody disputes that, but do you think the dippers or rags would not of got that peno or had the player sent off?

The Arsenal and Wolves sendings off were obvious, you couldn’t possibly say anything other than how stupid both players were to pick up second yellows so soon after getting the first, so there’s no question about them.

I have no problem with the rags or dippers getting decisions if they’re justified. If Salah gets fouled in the box it’s a penalty. The problem I have is that they get a huge proportion of 50/50 decisions going in their favour.

And a fair few 70/30s as well.

 

[Roachy]

I have tried to rebuff in my own mind the suggestion that dark forces are at work in relation to the officiating of the PL. This is purely an attempt on my own behalf to not see things through blue tinted specs. However, the biggest indicator that something is clearly amiss is not so much the decisions we do or do not get, but the regular favourable ones Liv and Utd benefit from. The suspicion to me now is that the PL want an engineered title race and same for the Top 4 throughout the second half of the season.

 

[Chris in London]

Given Odegaard’s foot planted on Ederson’s shin I’d say it was a free kick the other way, I can’t ever remember in the history of football, a player giving a free kick or pen away when his shin has connected with another players studs, don’t be sucked in by the “seen em given narrative” that has been used against us so efficiently over the years or “he’s been stupid/an idiot”

Actually I’d agree with you. If you watch the incident from the camera behind the goal Odergard appears to move his leg out, to initiate the contact. But there’s plenty of neutrals who called it the other way and said Ederson went for the ball but got Odergard’s boot instead.

It’s one the could have gone either way, it went our way.

 

[TonyColemansbagofapples]

You seriously think we haven’t had any decisions at all? Not even one?

My god, give your head a wobble

Did I say none at all? I say we have had very few, especially game changing decisions. I'll give you the same platform.....give me ten game changing decisions. To be kind, I'll let you have the last ten years. Should be a doddle according to you.

 

[Paladin]

It's the lack of accountability and the fact that the on field referee is told to award the penalty, even though as he's stood there he must be thinking WTF and why are you asking me to do this? So how do the VAR team actually get something like today's decision so wrong? Do they have the audio from Sky or are they watching in silent slow motion? I'm not sure anyone in Britain other than the VAR guy thought that was a penalty and when that kind of mistaken decision making is coming the very process that was designed to stop mistakes then we have serious issues.

Good point. How many times has the referee been told to check the monitor then not reversed his original decision? I can't think of a single one. Even the commentators know and tell us the decision is going to be overturned.

So is the referee actually making the decision, or is he carrying out an instruction? It wouldn't surprise me if Riley has told them, for the good of their career, to reverse their original decision whenever they are told to consult the monitor. And these decisions are actually being made by those in the VAR room. It again raises the question of the role of the mysterious Match Commanders.

 

[Paladin]

Allow me to put a case forward for the penalty.
The fact that Jota lost control of the ball is irrelevant. If a player loses control of the ball in the area but gets clattered by an opponent including the goalie then it's a still a foul and therefore a penalty.
So then the question arises did he 'buy' the foul by moving into the keeper. I think he did but players do this all the time both outside and inside the box and get rewarded for it.
So on that basis the penalty decision could be justified.

Why was it a foul by the goalkeeper on Jota? You haven't even considered that it could have been a foul by Jota on the goalkeeper, and you have even said in your argument that Jota moved into the 'keeper.

Goalkeepers always have a lower center of gravity when challenging, because they are positioning themselves to be bigger, wider, and consequently lower to the ground. Any collision is likely to result in the attacker falling. Add some theatrics to the equation, such as the throwing of hands into the air, and the penalty question arises.

It was the same with Ederson v Odegard recently. Odegard stood on Ederson then went down, but there was still outcry for the penalty, at the time and ever since.