Ref Watch

[VOOMER]

It's been brought up numerous times and the PiGMOL just shrug their shoulders and carry on f*cking us over.

edited for accuracy

 

[the-ecstacy-of-eight]

Yup.

Also, how many 'clarification' or 'changes' of the rules have we had following bizarre decisions in our games???

I initially included that in my post but then removed it after I remembered Bernardo's goal against Villa :)

 

[kaz7]

...or so we were told.

Simply a case (IMO) of it being all over the news the next day and PiGMOL deciding to make a statement to take the heat off a referee.

How many "special statements" have they had to make after "weird" decisions in our matches?

My favourite was them saying the words he dived about rodders getting body slammed

 

[levets]

Wasn’t this already covered a season or so back with Andy Gray on bein showed an offside then same game same incident different frame rate and boom onside ..

Yes it was Sterling at WHU.

 

[kaz7]

Wasn’t this already covered a season or so back with Andy Gray on bein showed an offside then same game same incident different frame rate and boom onside ..

Sterling it was , not long after pigmol admitted they dont have the tech for deciding tight offsides , havent heard that they have now , that decision was one of the many tested out on us and not given

 

[Cassandra]

Where did you get this footage from. Wonder who decides which frame to use but as we all know the law is about first point of contact not when the ball has left the foot. Quite clearly, assuming these frames are correct, this shows how VAR can be manipulated. Club needs to bring this up as we all know the technology isn't good enough so why is it still being used.

The frames were were extracted from the City+ full match replay - captured video from the screen played in a video editor (OpenShot) to allow the frames to be advanced one by one.

 

[Eds]

The frames were were extracted from the City+ full match replay - captured video from the screen played in a video editor (OpenShot) to allow the frames to be advanced one by one.

Thanks. Maybe you should apply to help out the VAR muppets and at the same time send your finding to the club and ask them to ask the PL to explain the discrepancies. The correct frame was used for the manipulation, the incorrect one was used if the laws were applied fairly.

 

[halfcenturyup]

I have couple of issues with the offside decision by VAR, firstly I'm struggling to see what part of Foden's anatomy lines up with the red line, there seems to me to be a gap netween a perpendicular from Foden's knee and the line. Surely the goal side of the line should be level with Foden's knee. Equally if you take a perpendicular from the outside of the Palace player's shoulder it looks to be ahead of the blue line. It is still probably just offside but as others have said this frame is just after the ball has been kicked. The camera angle doesn't allow you to see when the ball is first touched. From the camera used to broadcast the game I'd say the ball is maybe a few inches away from the foot.

If we look at the previous frame where the foot is probably still in contact with the ball Foden's knee is not so far advanced and I'd say he is level at worst. Law 11 states that the first point of contact with the ball should be used and that doesn't seem to be the case here. Certainly within the margin of errors for the technology.

I tried to have a look at these pictures using some perspective lines and it seems to me he is offside in both, by a foot in the first and by a few inches in the second. It's the knee that gets him. A line drawn perpendicular to the ground from his knee, it seems to me, taking into the perspective across the pitch and the position of the camera, puts him offside. I can't speak for the use of the different frames, but who can? It's all so subjective for something that is supposed to be so factual.

Actually, it's pretty stupid to punish someone for having a knee or a toe offside. That isn't the way the game is played. The attacker is looking along the line and judging his run with his eyes, not with his knee and it almost impossible for him to time his run taking into account where his feet, knees or arse are. Maybe offsides should be judged on the basis of head position for the attacker as that is where most people's eyes are. Except for referees when we are playing, apparently.

 

[Dave Ewing's Back 'eader]

I initially included that in my post but then removed it after I remembered Bernardo's goal against Villa :)

I would argue that when Bernardo was in an offside position he wasn't interfering with play. After Mings had played the ball Bernardo was in front of him and the ball, so wasn't offside. IIRC he only 'interfered' from an onside position, so bollocks to PiGMOL.

 

[Bonzo Nododo]

I take your point, but since when was football about allowing broadcasters plenty of controversial moments? The first considerations should be for paying, match going fans.

Coming back from the match on Saturday zl felt even as a long term paying customer that l was very much down the pecking order.
I was unsure of the red card it seemed from the half way line to be too far out with too many defenders close to whatever happened. My reaction was that Foden was brought down at the edge of the area. But I couldn't see the fine detail if the defender nicked it or whatever.
It seemed a good thing to me as time ticked by after City put the ball in the net but it was for VAR to find something, anything to write it off. Even when it was shown on the scoreboard l couldn't tell the small margins. But my main reaction was it was a bit far out when Foden passed it, the liner thought it was OK and there was more play before it it went in.
So l was a KFA whilst fans on here were know alls emphatically stating their
TV aided or influenced opinions.
Too fed up to watch MOTD on Saturday it was Sunday morning before l got a chance to have a good look at what l saw the previous day. Even then l couldn't be sure but there was little comment on the way a match had nearly 90 minutes of time wasted. So that seems OK. In the BBC's commentary the simpleton on the mike said it was rare that City kick off at 3pm on on a Saturday home match. Thinking of the Brighton and Southampton matches made me ponder why so many people know sweet FA about what goes on