Ref Watch

[simon23]

Didn’t Fernandinho once give a penalty away in the CL for fouling an offside player before he touched the ball?

No idea but how many times has the offside law been ammended since then....at least once due to a goal we scored iirc (away at Villa?)

 

[Dave Ewing's Back 'eader]

I have no doubt whatsoever that had that bit of play been up the other end VAR would have said offside.

 

[BringBackSwales]

Course he can make a tackle....Rashford is running with the ball (without touching it) but he aint stopping the player from making a challenge......he doesnt phyiscally touch any of our players

Have you ever played football? Or just spent your life being a no mates contrary muppet?

 

[mcfcphil]

Course he can make a tackle....Rashford is running with the ball (without touching it) but he aint stopping the player from making a challenge......he doesnt phyiscally touch any of our players

You haven’t answered the question.

How can the defender make a challenge from behind without fouling rashford?

 

[Maly]

Right, Simon.. explain this… what happens in that picture is Rashford is not there?

Akanji or Ederson get the ball

 

[Trevor Morley's Tache]

FA fine inbound...

 

[JewelZee]

This is another aspect to this that is not being talked about.

We knew immediately that Rashford was obviously offside by virtue of watching on TV but Akanji, Walker, and Ederson didn’t know for sure. Which means everything they did whilst play continued had to be based on the assumption he was onside, because if he was, and the went in for a challenge based on the way Rashford was shielding the ball, they could give away a penalty and/or be sent off.

Only people that have never actually played football will think Rashford isn’t influencing (obstructing) the play of the defenders and keeper in that situation.

All of the uncertainty and risk was with the defenders in that scenario, meaning allowing that sort of offside play further disadvantages the defending team (who is already inherently disadvantaged).

Exactly!!! Only people who never actually played!
And of course all those that hate us...

 

[Manc Born & Bred]

Didn’t Fernandinho once give a penalty away in the CL for fouling an offside player before he touched the ball?

Yes, think it was Schalke another ridiculous decision against us.

 

[Zapcity]

Rashford was clearly influencing play by chasing after the pass and attempting to control it.

The referee goes to ask the linesman who he flagged offside for and because it wasn't Fernandes he seemed to make his mind up based on that. VAR should be telling him to look at the screen to see Rashford's involvement but for whatever reason they don't.

The cynic in me thinks that now that they finally look like a side capable of challenging for the title they are going to start getting a little extra help.

Never really been someone who has bought too much into the 'Agenda' theory, as it comes over as sour grapes to an extent.
However, after today I am dubious to say the least. The 'product' that is the Premier League certainly seemed to have an influence on that 'goal'. As the other Premier League/SKY poster boys are a little way off the pace perhaps this lot could be given a little 'assistance'!, as they are (as you point our) up there at the moment. No way was that goal ever not being allowed!
True, we weren't great, and we have lost to the Rags several times over the years(often deservedly so) both when we were shit and when we've been a great side in recent times.
Sure, we'll move on, City fans (especially us FOCs) have had loads of disappointments over the years, but today was one of those that seemed to leave a really bad taste in the mouth. It will be interesting to see how other 'controversial' decisions go in certain games for the rest of the season!!

 

[Inter Me Nan]

Clown.

 

[Bluemoonadam]

There is no world in which Bruno reaches that ball first if Rashford isn't there.

Tbh at first I thought fair enough it should stand which it did, but after watching it back after the match I'm now convinced rashford does interfere with the play of our defenders. Can't be arsed being angry about it now though its over and done with nothing is going to change it.

 

[Beanhead]

Arm out shielding Akanji.

Left foot back ready to shift the ball which puts Ederson in a set position ready to make an attempted save.

Not interfering though...nothing to see here...

@simon.. again.. explain this… what happens in that picture if Rashford is not there?

 

[Dicko69]

On what planet does Fernandes beat ederson to the ball without rashford interfering?

 

[daztrueblue91]

No idea but how many times has the offside law been ammended since then....at least once due to a goal we scored iirc (away at Villa?)

I think the lawmakers have turned a relatively simple rule into something completely baffling.

Watching the clip of the Liverpool game on here already shows the inconsistency of decisions within an hour of each other.

Anyone who has ever kicked a ball knows there are more ways to interfere with play than physically touching the ball or player.

Hopefully this decision and the Salah goal v Wolves forces a common sense amendment to the current law.

There would be a nationwide minute silence and fans would be forced to wear black armbands if Liverpool and United were on the receiving end of these decision.

 

[Inter Me Nan]

@Beanhead you're pissing in the wind with him mate.

 

[sutty66]

silly simon thread

 

[simon23]

I think the lawmakers have turned a relatively simple rule into something completely baffling.

Watching the clip of the Liverpool game on here already shows the inconsistency of decisions within an hour of each other.

Anyone who has ever kicked a ball knows there are more ways to interfere with play than physically touching the ball or player.

Hopefully this decision and the Salah goal v Wolves forces a common sense amendment to the current law.

There would be a nationwide minute silence and fans would be forced to wear black armbands if Liverpool and United were on the receiving end of these decision.

Agreed..its baffling and inconsistent

if you are in the attacking half of the pitch you are intefering with play as far as Im concerned as it affects the position of any defending player

 

[Gogootz]

How many derbys have we got results from dodgy decisions compared to how many results they've got from dodgy decisions.

There's your answer.

 

[Trevor Morley's Tache]

Never really been someone who has bought too much into the 'Agenda' theory, as it comes over as sour grapes to an extent.
However, after today I am dubious to say the least. The 'product' that is the Premier League certainly seemed to have an influence on that 'goal'. As the other Premier League/SKY poster boys are a little way off the pace perhaps this lot could be given a little 'assistance'!, as they are (as you point our) up there at the moment. No way was that goal ever not being allowed!
True, we weren't great, and we have lost to the Rags several times over the years(often deservedly so) both when we were shit and when we've been a great side in recent times.
Sure, we'll move on, City fans (especially us FOCs) have had loads of disappointments over the years, but today was one of those that seemed to leave a really bad taste in the mouth. It will be interesting to see how other 'controversial' decisions go in certain games for the rest of the season!!

I know I keep banging on about Scudamore's infamous 'strategic plan' comments, but the increase in dodgy decisions afterwards (that just get swept under the carpet), that seem to go favourably for their poster boy 'most important team' isn't a coincidence in my opinion.

 

[mcfcphil]

Don’t fall into the trap of saying the law is wrong because it legitimises the goal as being an anomaly/freak incident.

This was offside according the current offside rules.