Ref Watch

Stephen230 said:
Mate, there’s loads of shit to to moan about but that foul was a good yard outside the box and he took two quick looks at the handball and gave the penalty.
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These are the frames for the initial contact from Faes through the back of Jack’s leg.

Notice the shadows on the last blurry still frame (camera was quickly panning to track the ball).

I think it was just a penalty but, regardless, it certainly wasn’t “a good yard outside the box”. If it wasn’t on the line (I think it appears it was on the line), it was by millimetres. “A good yard” would have had Grealish where the ball is in these shots.

Have you gotten your eyes checked at PGMOL HQ recently, by any chance?

Apologies for the quality and reflections; I had to find the replays on my DVR and take photos on my TV after going forward and backward on super slow playback to capture the point of contact. Still only took me a few minutes. It’s amazing how we amateurs can do it at home with far more limited tech but VAR seems to struggle with it nearly every match a few years in to a robust system’s use.


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Millwallawayveteran1988 said:
The handball was ridiculous. It was the most obvious handball decision I’ve seen yet he kept looking and kept looking.
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SWPISHOME said:
He was looking at it that long I was doubting if he even going to give it ffs :)
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Leaked transcript of the handball review official comms:

England: “Fuck. Ok, can you go back to see if they fouled a Leicester player or someone was offside in the three phases of play before the handball whilst I watch the replay four more times?”

VAR: “We’re combing now.”

[two minutes go by]

VAR: “No luck.”

England: “Any chance we could convincingly say his hand was in a natural position?”

VAR: “Think that would be quite the stretch, even for us.”

England: “Fuck. Alright, I suppose I’ll have to give it, then. Make sure to watch the City players for encroachment and I’ll be sure to continue to book them for their first fouls whilst giving Leicester five each before a stern talking to.”

VAR: “Sounds like a plan, mate.”
 
JRockBlues said:
England was absolutely gutted when he realised he had no choice but to give us the penalty for handball especially after not giving us one for the foul on Jack. Must've spent about 2 minutes with the VAR guy pleading to find a less conclusive angle so he wouldn't have to.
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I do agree. However. It showed yet again what their automatic thought process is when it comes to us. A village idiot can see its a pen, about 5 City players went mad immediately as the ref somehow pointed for a corner.

Without VAR we don't get that decision. Other teams in red, its given straight away no argument and no need for VAR.
 
Stephen230 said:
But they got both decisions right and we’re still not happy?
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That handball decision wouldn't have even gone to VAR if it had been the Rag's or Dipper's. England would have given it straight away, and VAR would have confirmed it. In the game today the whole refereeing team were looking for any reason NOT to give it.

The way that game was refereed was scandalous, and we have to put up with that kind of crap EVERY f*cking week. Bernie gets a yellow for a nothing foul, yet Leicester players got away with foul after foul on a par if not worse than the one Bernie was booked for. Then, surprise, surprise England gives them a yellow for a nothing-foul on 88 minutes when it was obvious the game was over.
 
Surprised he didn't give at least one of their claims to really pressure us.

He was fucking rubbish, from my view in 315 Jack was on the line but, I can accept maybe it was that tight etc but the one he finally gave...fuck me the defender was in a position a swot at school would be in with his hand so high. Then even when he went to look at it he spent ages.....wanker!!!
 
Trevor Morley's Tache said:
That handball decision wouldn't have even gone to VAR if it had been the Rag's or Dipper's. England would have given it straight away, and VAR would have confirmed it. In the game today the whole refereeing team were looking for any reason NOT to give it.

The way that game was refereed was scandalous, and we have to put up with that kind of crap EVERY f*cking week. Bernie gets a yellow for a nothing foul, yet Leicester players got away with foul after foul on a par if not worse than the one Bernie was booked for. Then, surprise, surprise England gives them a yellow for a nothing-foul on 88 minutes when it was obvious the game was over.
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Yep, VAR is far from perfect but we are better off with it than without it!!
 
VAR is shit but it wasn't conclusive that Grealish was fouled in the box so VAR isn't allowed to change the refs decision to give a free kick outside the box. Incorrect decision by ref, Correct decision by VAR

City given a penalty for the handball. Incorrect decision by ref, Correct Decision by VAR.

I detest VAR but come on, they got it right today.
 
RiversideBlue said:
VAR is shit but it wasn't conclusive that Grealish was fouled in the box so VAR isn't allowed to change the refs decision to give a free kick outside the box. Incorrect decision by ref, Correct decision by VAR

City given a penalty for the handball. Incorrect decision by ref, Correct Decision by VAR.

I detest VAR but come on, they got it right today.
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Its more than that tho. Just watched it again on MOTD. Its striking the difference in the 3 possibly penalty incidents.

Both city ones he was not interested. Pointing for a corner on the handball incident (which the whole ground saw), not a thought from him it could possibly be a pen.

See then the Leicester claim on Gomez. Straight away holds up play, pushing his thought process that it could be a pen.

Its plain as day how we a reffed by different standards. Disgraceful today!!
 
I’ve never been one to go with the whole “The refs are all bent against us” I always thought they are just incompetent/shit for everyone. But this season and today especially, its getting more and more obvious that we are referee'd differently. The Bernardo booking was blatant bias against us. They had far, far worse fouls deemed not worthy of a yellow. And the handball pen was ridiculous. He must have looked 10 times at the var screen. It’s was one of the most obvious pens of the season. What finally did it for me was the delay to the kick off after the third goal. They were looking for anything to disallow a perfectly obvious good goal. Oh well, it’ll make it more sweeter when we win the league
 
Bluearmy said:
Yep, VAR is far from perfect but we are better off with it than without it!!
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You can't possibly say that because there are no stats to back it up.

There were shit decisions before VAR, and there are shit decisions with VAR. Many of the 'offside by an armpit hair' decisions that have been given are well within the margin of error for the VAR system and in many cases I believe are manipulated to favour certain teams. And the interpretation of 'arm in a natural position' or 'too close to the shot' or 'not interfering with play' certainly comes into the equation. We see different interpretations of identical/similar situations week-in-week-out.

We were sold a LIE, and people are now making excuses for it.
 
A reasonably routine victory should not dull the sense of outrage we feel at this hopeless moron and his shockingly poor refereeing of the game.

Haven’t seen the Grealish foul again but it looked a stonewall pen in real life and how quick did the VAR goons decide that it wasn’t a pen - they can’t have checked it from many angles.

Any ref who can’t see that handball that we eventually got shouldn’t be allowed to referee at any level let alone in the PL.

Books Bernie for a reasonably innocuous challenge then fails to book their player for sending Kyle airborne. Failed to get a grip on their persistent fouling all game long.
 
NZBlue said:
For me the three penalty decisions ended up correct, but only due to VAR. Without it we would have been shafted three times so for once it did its job.

Jack was marginally outside, by a whisker from one angle and that was enough.
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Exactly this….pre-var we get no penalty and they get one, you could just tell by the refs demeanour that he was reluctant to give us anything (never mind the blatantly obvious) Grealish was laughing at him, what normally stiffs us is this imaginary threshold that there’s not enough in it to change the on field decision, bullshit….a foul is a foul & handball is handball, the guy was giving a presidential salute
 
Jesus H Gabz said:
Exactly this….pre-var we get no penalty and they get one, you could just tell by the refs demeanour that he was reluctant to give us anything (never mind the blatantly obvious) Grealish was laughing at him, what normally stiffs us is this imaginary threshold that there’s not enough in it to change the on field decision, bullshit….a foul is a foul & handball is handball, the guy was giving a presidential salute
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Why do you think this?

They had two penalty shouts yesterday, and both times the ref immediately made that big cross motion to say he wasn't going to give them.

I didn't see him do that with the one we got, and given the angle he was looking at it, I can see why it went to VAR.
 
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