Ref Watch

[city saint]

Stockley Park cannot hear the commentary and the communication is one way only

allegedly

 

[The slaughtered lamb]

Stockley Park cannot hear the commentary and the communication is one way only

Don’t believe it. And the commentators certainly don’t believe it.

 

[Gordyola]

I thought Pawson was poor (City v Brighton) and the inconsistency between matches was irritating. Pretty much any contact was given as a foul and certainly shoulder to shoulder was barely allowed. What was worse for me was VAR today. Clear and obvious mistake on Haaland, penalty should have been given, not called to the monitor. Yet Bernardo's was not clear and obvious to me. Personally I don't think it should have been given but the main issue is it will be clearly subjective which means VAR is re-refereeing the match. MOTD didn't make it clear that a substantial amount of time elapsed before they called it for review. Having such a delay shows it was not clear and obvious. Pawson clearly didn't want to give it but probably felt he had to given the minutes that elapsed and play being brought back. Imagine if Brighton had scored in that time!

This illustrates the issue with the "Clear & Obvious" criteria and in particular the way it is interpreted and applied
The Bernie incident was pretty clear and obvious on the video reply from each angle, ignoring Murphy on MoTD who claimed it wasn't because Bernie "put a leg in" Michael Brown also said much the same on Sky GofD
The Erling incident wasnt as clear on video replay
The way it works is the ref is informed there is a possibility that he has missed something, he then gives a description of what he saw and if its different to the actual then, he is asked to look at the monitor for a decision
The VAR will also check the phase of play down the line for any other incidents missed hence the delay in the decision Why it took 3 minutes yesterday is beyond explanation
Harping back to the Haaland incident at anfield then Taylor should have awarded the goal to follow the context of the way he had run the game but, he knew the stick he would have received

 

[Gordyola]

Don’t believe it. And the commentators certainly don’t believe it.

Fine but its true

 

[Dave Ewing's Back 'eader]

No, and it should be added back, as the whole play in that time is pointless, and lost.

Yeah, won't be long before we actually get a full thirty minutes per half!

 

[Skip Donoghue]

On the blue moon podcast this week, the guest journo confirmed that broadcasters can hear the chatter between the officials in real time. I'd have to go back and check if he was talking about Stockley park or the referee and assistants, but that was something I didn't actually realise happened. The hope is that this becomes audible to audiences at home too.

Be interesting to see if the have sky sports or bt on live at Stockley Park too. You'd hope not but on a few occasions the co commentator ex footballer, ie Neville, can be heard seemingly appealing to someone unseen to convince them of what just happened on the pitch.

I've said that about Stockley Park hearing commontators, as how many times you here Neville say not a foul, or that's a pen and it's looked at or decisions changed
If it is happening its a disgrace and confirms to me the game isn't at all straight

 

[The slaughtered lamb]

Fine but its true

You don’t know that any more than I do.

 

[Dave Ewing's Back 'eader]

You don’t know that any more than I do.

It could be that Gordyola is actually Lee Mason. Remember, you heard it first in this post!

 

[paulchapo]

This illustrates the issue with the "Clear & Obvious" criteria and in particular the way it is interpreted and applied
The Bernie incident was pretty clear and obvious on the video reply from each angle, ignoring Murphy on MoTD who claimed it wasn't because Bernie "put a leg in" Michael Brown also said much the same on Sky GofD
The Erling incident wasnt as clear on video replay
The way it works is the ref is informed there is a possibility that he has missed something, he then gives a description of what he saw and if its different to the actual then, he is asked to look at the monitor for a decision
The VAR will also check the phase of play down the line for any other incidents missed hence the delay in the decision Why it took 3 minutes yesterday is beyond explanation
Harping back to the Haaland incident at anfield then Taylor should have awarded the goal to follow the context of the way he had run the game but, he knew the stick he would have received

On the Bernardo penalty they all failed to say he was also pushed, knocking him off balance and kicking his leg out was a result of that.

 

[bluetonium]

I've said that about Stockley Park hearing commontators, as how many times you here Neville say not a foul, or that's a pen and it's looked at or decisions changed
If it is happening its a disgrace and confirms to me the game isn't at all straight

I don't think that is the case, and I certainly hope it isn't, but it's a symptom of this lack of transparency around VAR.

Personally I think it's probably the other way around, Neville and others can hear the chatter between officials and use it to appear clever and ahead of the game because they know exactly what is being looked at and why.

With regards to Stockley Park, you'd hope that integrity and common sense would not permit any outside influence. But then we have these shadowy match commanders who are occasionally referenced and seemingly have some sway in the VAR decision making process, but nobody knows who they are or what they do.