Ref Watch

[Paladin]

What would be your explanation for how Madley came to the conclusion that it wasn’t a penalty?

It's all speculation, but based on evidence. Madley and PGMOL have remained silent, so we don't have their official view to consider.

But yes, I do think that VAR officials and match officials seem to have a bias against us. Sometimes that is understandable - like if we are playing a lower league team in a cup, but that isn't specifically against City.

On other occasions, it might be just giving the benefit of the doubt to the lower placed team. That is understandable too.

But on this occasion, Moss has already set his threshold for what constitutes a penalty, by awarding one for the incident against Laporte. With that being the context, there is absolutely no reason not to at least recommend that Moss should look at the pitchside monitor. Madley could have done that and absolved himself of blame. He didn't, so it is all on him as far as I'm concerned.

Did Madley think it was a penalty but not enough of an error for him to overturn? We don't know.

Did Madley think it wasn't a penalty at all? We don't know.

Is Madley, who is fairly inexperienced, being influenced by someone in higher authority to not give City decisions? We don't know, but my money would be on this one.

 

[waspish]

It's all speculation, but based on evidence. Madley and PGMOL have remained silent, so we don't have their official view to consider.

But yes, I do think that VAR officials and match officials seem to have a bias against us. Sometimes that is understandable - like if we are playing a lower league team in a cup, but that isn't specifically against City.

On other occasions, it might be just giving the benefit of the doubt to the lower placed team. That is understandable too.

But on this occasion, Moss has already set his threshold for what constitutes a penalty, by awarding one for the incident against Laporte. With that being the context, there is absolutely no reason not to at least recommend that Moss should look at the pitchside monitor. Madley could have done that and absolved himself of blame. He didn't, so it is all on him as far as I'm concerned.

Did Madley think it was a penalty but not enough of an error for him to overturn? We don't know.

Did Madley think it wasn't a penalty at all? We don't know.

Is Madley, who is fairly inexperienced, being influenced by someone in higher authority to not give City decisions? We don't know, but my money would be on this one.

Moss thought once Foden got up Var will do it’s job if foden didn’t get up Moss would of blown but if told Madley that he thought there goalie got toe to it he is bent Bob note.

 

[niall'sdiscoshorts]

If Moss was that unsure he could of gone and had a look at the monitor himself, he chose not to.

 

[salfordbluetrue]

Moss thought once Foden got up Var will do it’s job if foden didn’t get up Moss would of blown but if told Madley that he thought there goalie got toe to it he is bent Bob note.

I do think Moss left it for VAR but even in that he was wrong,the goalie still stopped him getting to the lose ball, so was still a penalty, that he should have seen, He should have given the penalty and let VAR try to disprove it, he did that with the penalty but not with the KDB penalty shout, both being the same but different outcomes, since he used different approaches.

 

[Paladin]

If Moss was that unsure he could of gone and had a look at the monitor himself, he chose not to.

Who has said Moss was unsure? Moss made his call, which he probably thought was correct. Referees don't run to the monitor to double check their decisions. They rely on their colleagues to tell them they may have made a mistake.

 

[@BluePhil8]

Be interesting to see how we’re ref’d today.

I think they have been so used to screwing us for so long, with no media scrutiny, that the outcry over Foden’s penalty will really but the heeby jeebies up pigmol. It would be absolutely brazen for the blatant corruption to continue in the next few games.

 

[Paladin]

Be interesting to see how we’re ref’d today.

I think they have been so used to screwing us for so long, with no media scrutiny, that the outcry over Foden’s penalty will really but the heeby jeebies up pigmol. It would be absolutely brazen for the blatant corruption to continue in the next few games.

I tend to agree with this.

Liverpool had the benefit last season, and took full advantage. United have had the benefit this season, but we blew them away anyway. They have no excuse to carry on with teething problems in the third season. United had their chance, but perhaps they won't get another, especially as they are consulting clubs on how the system might be improved.

 

[Corky]

Who has said Moss was unsure? Moss made his call, which he probably thought was correct. Referees don't run to the monitor to double check their decisions. They rely on their colleagues to tell them they may have made a mistake.

It was clear from the replays they were repeating from the refs view was the suggestion that from behind Foden the keeper could have got a touch, which isn't backed up from the rear or side angles though.

Depends on an interpretation of clear and obvious, and also there will never ever be consistency, not least with a presumption in favour of the refs original decision.

I think the actual problem was the ref was 40 yards from the incident and would have to guess either way, but the lino should have helped out like they used to as the side angle was better to judge the incident.

 

[Paladin]

It was clear from the replays they were repeating from the refs view was the suggestion that from behind Foden the keeper could have got a touch, which isn't backed up from the rear or side angles though.

Depends on an interpretation of clear and obvious, and also there will never ever be consistency, not least with a presumption in favour of the refs original decision.

I think the actual problem was the ref was 40 yards from the incident and would have to guess either way, but the lino should have helped out like they used to as the side angle was better to judge the incident.

Absolutely. There was nothing stopping the linesman from calling a foul and a penalty. But I still think Madley is most at fault. At minimum, he should have asked Moss to go to the monitor.

 

[salfordbluetrue]

I tend to agree with this.

Liverpool had the benefit last season, and took full advantage. United have had the benefit this season, but we blew them away anyway. They have no excuse to carry on with teething problems in the third season. United had their chance, but perhaps they won't get another, especially as they are consulting clubs on how the system might be improved.

I hope you are right but you do remember how utd got themselves into a CL spot last season?, and as we know consulting clubs will still be edited in the corridors of power. question is will we be in that corridor.