Ref Watch

MCFC1993 said:


State of them. As bad as our game.
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Putting my tinfoil-hat on for a second, someone might make the argument the PL could be going after City and Chelsea with decisions like these more often going forward, for making the history clubs look like the bad guys(which they were). "Richard Masters' masters aren't happy". ;)
 
The only good thing about this is there will be so few supporters for either team in CL final it should mean the ref doesn’t get influenced by not reffing in front of hostile crowds. Atwell was so very weak in that regard.

still that bald **** we have as the centre piece is a different beast. He wants it to all be about him and will try to leave his personal mark.

Need to take his influence out of the equation.
 
Metalartin said:
Putting my hat on for a second, someone might make the argument the PL could be going after City and Chelsea for making the history clubs look like the bad guys(which they were). Richard Masters' masters aren't happy.
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they just need Liverpool in 4th and know Chelsea will get all the help they need into the CL from Lahoz.
 
I've said it before and I'll post it again, there's a lot of things I may chat shit about but not this...

pudge said:
Said it nigh on two years ago and I'll say it again, you can never just say "it's corrupt and irreparable" as a means to wash over the basic standard of referees.

You've got the countless admissions from Clattenburg, for example, when he officiated "that" Spurs v Chelsea game as well as his sending off of Craig Bellamy which has not so surprisingly gone under the radar despite his open admission of match fixing. He did the exact opposite of what an official is there to do, he dictated games instead of facilitating them. That leads to one of the factors of the poor standard of officiating in that there is now a psuedo-celebrityculture around match officials these days.

You've got Howard Webb, Dermot Gallagher, Chris Foy, Graham Poll etc all doing television appearances now, all doing newspaper columns, punditry. Officials in the game now are looking at that and saying "I've to make a name for myself" so that that can be them in 5/10/15 years. The best referees are those you don't notice, those you don't know the name of after all. This pseudo-celebrity image breeds officials who want to make the headlines, put themselves in the spotlight; Mike Dean for crying out load. Bobby Madley too was fast becoming the worst and he fucked off suspiciously enough.

It also directly breeds this "holier than thou" attitude they all undeniably have. They very rarely engage or acknowledge players, managers etc. I of course don't mean in instances when players/managers scream for cards etc but instances that call for clarification and reasoning, like today and the penalty even. Call the captain and those involved over, in this case that's just Silva, and explain the process. Officials are not accountable to the players when in fact they should be, as again they are there to facilitate.

The communication and relatability with players is another factor and again I don't mean specifically in-game when players are screaming and ranting. Officials, with all due respect, have not played football at the highest level yet are tasked at refereeing it. Take diving for instance;

Undoubtedly players do it, that can't be denied, and it makes a tough job trickier for officials admittedly. However, when you see the likes of Sané, Walker, Salah etc and the speeds they reach it doesn't take much to knock them over. Do you think Jon Moss has ran fast enough to understand that? They've never been in that situation. Better communication and understanding with the players will lead to better decisions, undeniably.

Accountability is the big factor for me though yet shockingly it's non-existent. VAR does not improve an officials decision making, it just possibly corrects a bad decision or mkaes it for them. Therefore it doesn't tackle the root issue, it's merely a bandage over a great, big, massive cut that is a shockingly low standard of officiating. There's a reason there were no English officials at the last World Cup. The FA/everyone has access to untold amount of angles post-match and the days that follow any match so any official who constantly makes bad decisions could very easily be found out and punished appropriately; but they aren't. They aren't held accountable by the system that's in place now, so VAR won't and doesn't change that. You can't say 'boo' to an official without being punished, however, they can be as inept as humanly possible without suffering the consequences.

If an officials wage/match fee was at stake, their place as an official on the next round of fixtures (a suspension) then you can guarantee it would produce not only better focus but more sincerity for their job which, again, is to facilitate a game of football and not dictate it. That's the biggest cause of the aforementioned points and their attitudes, the fact they know they're untouchable. If they were held accountable for their bad decisions, which there is zero reason as to why they shouldn't be, then of course that will better them as officials.

Why arne't match reports aren't open to the public sure? If there is nothing untoward in an official's report then why can't they be made available to the public after the latest round of fixtures? Even as a fan, the ability see a referee's decision making process and reasoning would greatly improve the view of and current disconnect with the game/officials and fans.

It is not a case of "officiating is awful and it won't change", there's an obscene amount of factors that can and could have been be addressed, tackled and changed before yet another safety net in the form of VAR was given to them. It's the lazy shortcut to sidestepping the underlying issue, it doesn't even address the issue directly. How can anyone argue that? They haven't exhausted all other options as the actual important overriding factor and the reason people wanted VAR in the first place was to improve the standard of refereeing that in it's current state brought about too many bad decisions. Otherwise why have officials at all? Why not just have the VAR "ref" buzz down to the stadium announcer to stop the game every time they want from their van 200 miles away?

The standard has to improve as well because not every team will have the use of VAR, it goes well beyond the Premier League sure. Just because City vs United will have it doesn't excuse that Southend vs Wycombe won't. So why is that fair? So the standard of refereeing need's tackled and addressed at all levels because not every level will have VAR.

If there was a linear progression as to how the game and decision making can be improved then VAR is not the next step. The problems go further and beyond extra replays, and all the angles in the world won't fix them but there damn sure are options and actions that can be taken to address them beforehand.

When they actually do exhaust all other options, then by all means, bring it in. By then they should have at the very least clarifed what the actual fuck it does.
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So am I right in thinking BT at least cleared up the 3rd goal was onside? Still one of the worst officiating performances going.
 
Gus Cruz said:
Yes. De Gea assist, Cavani was offside
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Was not even close yet linesman in line, Var and assistant Var all did not spot it. Plus Penandez only getting a yellow not red but that’s Mason for you but no excuse at all. Bar it being bent not to spot the offside
 
That non Chelsea penalty just sums up ho poor this lot are ........ the most blatant penalty you will see and he had the perfect view but nothing ....... isn’t this suppposed to be the best league in the world ????? Doesn’t the best league in the world deserve the best officials ????

I mean you can cope with the odd bad decision but this is now becoming every week now .........
 
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