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Dave Ewing's Back 'eader said:
VAR SHOULD have intervened, but it's City, so let's just get on with the Palace corner. It wouldn't have mattered had Cancelo leapt onto the roof and emulated an Olympic diver demonstrating a 3.8 tariff dive and impaled himself arse end on a corner flag, the 'tackle' was violent. I cannot see where a forearm smash more relevant to the wrestling ring than a football pitch wouldn't and shouldn't have brought forth a red card.
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Agreed, I remember the aguero straight red for raising his arms as he protected the ball and caught West ham player in tge neck. Oh the moral outrage that accompanied that
 
Stephen230 said:
I didn’t think think the Palace ‘keeper was generally time wasting on goal kicks. Maybe pushed it a couple of times but not enough to warrant a booking. It was more the fans in the South Stand getting on his back the second the ball went out, making it appear so. Not that that’s a bad tactic by the crowd, as it puts in the referees mind at least. But the ball being out of play is part of the game. The goalkeeper or anybody else is under no obligation to rush the retake.

As for the Cancelo incident. I probably had a better view of it than any of the officials and I have to admit my immediate reaction was… Get up and get on with it kid. In hindsight it was a foul and probably a booking but VAR can’t advise on that.
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take a good look at a replay as that is what VAR does, the the ball was already out of play, so that is violent conduct in an off the ball incident, it would be a booking as it was for Walker vs Calvin lewis just for having your arms up that high without it being deliberate.
 
I might have missed it, so was the Tripper red yet another change of rules in season? now we have all seen reds rescinded but not reduced to a yellow VAR decided it was not a red but a yellow, a clear and obvious mistake is not deciding a punishment.
 
salfordbluetrue said:
take a good look at a replay as that is what VAR does, the the ball was already out of play, so that is violent conduct in an off the ball incident, it would be a booking as it was for Walker vs Calvin lewis just for having your arms up that high without it being deliberate.
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I have watched it several times. I don’t think the ball was out of play but it’s a bit inconclusive from the angle I was watching it from. That’s irrelevant as to whether it was violent conduct anyway. You can be dismissed for violent conduct at half time or after the final whistle.
 
Stephen230 said:
I didn’t think think the Palace ‘keeper was generally time wasting on goal kicks. Maybe pushed it a couple of times but not enough to warrant a booking. It was more the fans in the South Stand getting on his back the second the ball went out, making it appear so. Not that that’s a bad tactic by the crowd, as it puts in the referees mind at least. But the ball being out of play is part of the game. The goalkeeper or anybody else is under no obligation to rush the retake.

As for the Cancelo incident. I probably had a better view of it than any of the officials and I have to admit my immediate reaction was… Get up and get on with it kid. In hindsight it was a foul and probably a booking but VAR can’t advise on that.
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How’s it a booking? It’s either accidental and a free kick or deliberate and serious foul play, so either no card or red card. It looked to me like a deliberate forearm smash so a red
 
BringBackSwales said:
How’s it a booking? It’s either accidental and a free kick or deliberate and serious foul play, so either no card or red card. It looked to me like a deliberate forearm smash so a red
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It can be accidental and still a booking. I don’t actually think it was accidental. He clearly made a deliberate movement towards him. But I still don’t think it was quite enough to be a red. Was borderline though, don’t think he could have had major complaints if it was red.
 
Stephen230 said:
It can be accidental and still a booking. I don’t actually think it was accidental. He clearly made a deliberate movement towards him. But I still don’t think it was quite enough to be a red. Was borderline though, don’t think he could have had major complaints if it was red.
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If you think it’s a deliberate forearm smash in the face then that’s a red card
 
BringBackSwales said:
If you think it’s a deliberate forearm smash in the face then that’s a red card
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It’s down to the ferocity of the contact. Players fend of others deliberately all the time.

His hand not being clenched is a big indicator for referees in judging recklessness vs dangerousness.

The former is a yellow card tariff, the latter a red.
 
Stephen230 said:
I didn’t think think the Palace ‘keeper was generally time wasting on goal kicks. Maybe pushed it a couple of times but not enough to warrant a booking. It was more the fans in the South Stand getting on his back the second the ball went out, making it appear so. Not that that’s a bad tactic by the crowd, as it puts in the referees mind at least. But the ball being out of play is part of the game. The goalkeeper or anybody else is under no obligation to rush the retake.

As for the Cancelo incident. I probably had a better view of it than any of the officials and I have to admit my immediate reaction was… Get up and get on with it kid. In hindsight it was a foul and probably a booking but VAR can’t advise on that.
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I agree with that.
The Cancelo incident looked worse when I watched a replay. Not enough for VAR to warrant Red. Cancelo can act up a bit sometimes.
 
Stephen230 said:
I didn’t think think the Palace ‘keeper was generally time wasting on goal kicks. Maybe pushed it a couple of times but not enough to warrant a booking. It was more the fans in the South Stand getting on his back the second the ball went out, making it appear so. Not that that’s a bad tactic by the crowd, as it puts in the referees mind at least. But the ball being out of play is part of the game. The goalkeeper or anybody else is under no obligation to rush the retake.

As for the Cancelo incident. I probably had a better view of it than any of the officials and I have to admit my immediate reaction was… Get up and get on with it kid. In hindsight it was a foul and probably a booking but VAR can’t advise on that.
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I agree about the keeper. Have seen worse.
 
Still puzzling over the Cancelo red. Regardless of whether it was or not, does var not have a duty to recommend the referee reviews it, highlight it as a possible missed red card offence? Referee then fully entitled to do as he wishes.

Although our English var system seems to be there specifically to re-referee the game in some instances, with the occasion a referee disagrees with a var challenge few and far between. Yes, it would increase the stoppages in plain slight, but red card offences are fairly rare and can impact a game significantly.

If cancelo gets medical treatment and makes a bigger deal of it (ok he rolled like a 5 year old playing soliders) does the ref then in the pause and the questions from our players then go for a review?

Luckily we overcame it but for other teams going two down could have been three points lost.

Oh what we'd give to have the referees and var audible to us mere paying fans. Would probably do away with half the conspiracy theories overnight too.

Just leaves a bad taste in the mouth, especially following on from Trippier's overturned red which still makes me wince when I see it. Both cases not in control and endangering an opponent, all for a physical game but there's a world cup ruining moment for a player coming along any time now.
 
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Stephen230 said:
I have watched it several times. I don’t think the ball was out of play but it’s a bit inconclusive from the angle I was watching it from. That’s irrelevant as to whether it was violent conduct anyway. You can be dismissed for violent conduct at half time or after the final whistle.
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The ball being out of play means the ref did not have a decision to make, mainly as he did not see it but VAR did and chose not to, without the ball being in play it can not be classed as just a coming together, only violent play and the player can still be charged by the FA, we will see.
 
es1 said:
he got a yellow for it
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No he got a red and if that would have stood no one could complain as there were three reasons for red and two for yellow. the staff at VAR did though even though it was beyond their brief, lots of people give good reasons for the yellow but the red has just as much validity so should not be changed as it is not a clear and obvious mistake, my question perhaps should said have we seen yet another in-season change of rules to thwart City is this a first?
 
bluetonium said:
Still puzzling over the Cancelo red. Regardless of whether it was or not, does var not have a duty to recommend the referee reviews it, highlight it as a possible missed red card offence? Referee then fully entitled to do as he wishes.

Although our English var system seems to be there specifically to re-referee the game in some instances, with the occasion a referee disagrees with a var challenge few and far between. Yes, it would increase the stoppages in plain slight, but red card offences are fairly rare and can impact a game significantly.

If cancelo gets medical treatment and makes a bigger deal of it (ok he rolled like a 5 year old playing soliders) does the ref then in the pause and the questions from our players then go for a review?

Luckily we overcame it but for other teams going two down could have been three points lost.

Oh what we'd give to have the referees and var audible to us mere paying fans. Would probably do away with half the conspiracy theories overnight too.

Just leaves a bad taste in the mouth, especially following on from Trippier's overturned red which still makes me wince when I see it. Both cases not in control and endangering an opponent, all for a physical game but there's a world cup ruining moment for a player coming along any time now.
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Good points the first thing you notice on a replay is Ayew`s arm is up, a yellow as it was with Walker vs calvin-Lewin the second is Ayew looks at Cancelo and the third is he jabs his elbow back into the face of Cancelo, now which bit do you think the staff of VAR did not want the Ref to see.
The plus side of this was Haaland`s high boot should have been a yellow at least.
 
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