Taylor would never be let ref a Liverpool match again had he went to the monitor & still stuck to his guns. Going to the monitor, he then had no choice. Unless Fabinho's hand on Haaland and clash of knees was also deemed as a foul which he was playing advantage fromThat doesn't really matter. Taylor told both teams he would be dealing leniently with minor infringements in order to improve the flow of the game. And that tactic worked. But he can't then change that directive just because a goal was scored. It makes a mockery of his whole referreeing performance.
He set a standard for the game, and all players adapted to it. VAR might have been correct to highlight a foul in the lead up to the goal, but Taylor also should have had the courage to allow the goal, because it aligned with the way he managed the game.
I think he's a good referee, but he sure makes a good number of questionable decisions against us.
I am firmly of the belief that Taylor was INSTRUCTED to reverse his original decision and was therefore not in control of the outcome of the game.The VAR operates from Stockley Park, so probably wasn't in on the referee's briefing to the teams before the game. So if they saw a foul in the build up, they were probably correct to refer it to Taylor.
Taylor then had to decide whether or not he missed the foul in the lead up to the goal, or if he made a clear and obvious error of judgement by not penalising the foul.
He didn't miss anything - he was right in the thick of the action. It wasn't an error at all to not penalise the foul, because it was the same level of contact that had been acceptable throughout the game.
Taylor should have said thanks for alerting me to that, but it is entirely consistent with everything else that had happened in this game, the players are aware of my instructions, I have not made a mistake, and the goal stands. He could say this to the VAR, they could tell the studio and the world, and we would be a goal up with the decision explained away.
This is another example of Taylor being weak when he should have the courage of his convictions and remain strong.
I think the flow of the game refereeing style is fine. Taylor explained his approach to the teams before the game, and everyone got on with it, with some insignificant fouls clearly being overlooked. The game was going well, until Taylor changed his method for that one incident.All this ‘flow of the game’ is just an excuse to allow the officials to dictate the wat the game goes. Allowing them to decide what is minor and which isn’t is what is leading to dissent and abuse at referees. Nobody knows what is going on and what is allowed and what isn’t.
As many have mentioned already, what everyone wants is consistency in how the rules are applied. We don’t have that between the VAR official and the referee even.
Yeah, none of which were relevant to yesterday, but do allow us to shout conspiracy.well, there’s always the handball that should have been a penalty for City 3 seasons ago that led to a Liverpool goal being scored at the other end. That was chalked off.
Then there’s the failure to give Milner a second yellow card last season.
and there’s the failure to give Suarez a second yellow for obvious simulation a few years before.
plus many others.
there’s actually quite a substantial body of evidence that suggests that LFC get the benefit of these decisions
still, we know how you like to go against the flow
Yep. Another bad decision from Taylor. You simply don't stop play for that sort of decision. He should have sent him off when the ball was next out of play.Only just noticed back on the highlights he stops the game with us on the attack and Liverpool scrambling back to send off Klopp.
Bizarre.
Noticed that at the time, as you say strange.Only just noticed back on the highlights he stops the game with us on the attack and Liverpool scrambling back to send off Klopp.
Bizarre.
Again, VAR sticking its nose in and INSTRUCTING Taylor to stop the game.Noticed that at the time, as you say strange.
There's no evidence that the VAR was involved.Again, VAR sticking its nose in and INSTRUCTING Taylor to stop the game.
I think the flow of the game refereeing style is fine. Taylor explained his approach to the teams before the game, and everyone got on with it, with some insignificant fouls clearly being overlooked. The game was going well, until Taylor changed his method for that one incident.
It is this inconsistency which is wrong. Other games will be refereed to different levels of tolerance, which is fine, as long as the referee doesn't change his method in the middle of the game.
That really pissed me off.Only just noticed back on the highlights he stops the game with us on the attack and Liverpool scrambling back to send off Klopp.
Bizarre.
And about 3 penalties not given for fouls by Robertson and others on Sterling.well, there’s always the handball that should have been a penalty for City 3 seasons ago that led to a Liverpool goal being scored at the other end. That was chalked off.
Then there’s the failure to give Milner a second yellow card last season.
and there’s the failure to give Suarez a second yellow for obvious simulation a few years before.
plus many others.
there’s actually quite a substantial body of evidence that suggests that LFC get the benefit of these decisions
still, we know how you like to go against the flow
And there is no evidence that it wasn't because conveniently for the PL we aren't privy to comm's.There's no evidence that the VAR was involved.
And there is no evidence that it wasn't because conveniently for the PL we aren't privy to comm's.
Why does Taylor stop the game when he was concentrating on the action on the pitch? Something caught his attention which was deemed more important than our promising attack. The only way that happens is if he hears something in his earpiece.
Someone off the pitch instructed Taylor to stop the game at that precise moment, and yet we all know that cards can be dished out at a convenient moment AFTER the offence, and ESPECIALLY given that it was an off the field incident he should have been allowed to play on until after the attack.
It's possible but I don't think the assistant ref has an open mic, otherwise they wouldn't be able to converse openly with the managers without disturbing the flow of the game.I guess it's possible given how close Klopp was to the assistant that what Klopp said got picked up directly by Taylor and he reacted instantly to it.
That's the things. Despite him saying before the game he'd referee it that way, it doesn't make it ok. The game descended into chaos - who do you think chaos suits? The 'orchestra' or the 'heavy metal' band. We thrive on control of a game. That went because of how the game was reffed. None of his decisions were even particularly bad for us, but his whole method gave them a headstart.
This is like a modern day version of the Old Trafford game where United were given carte-blanche to kick shit out of Arsenal when Mike Riley was ref. Its just that this time the ref came out first and said he was going to leave his whistle at home and you're free to do what you want. Back in those days Wenger or Fergie would come out before the game and demand a strong ref. Pep needs to come out and demand our players get protection. All their fullbacks do is run straight into people but nothing gets given. Milner shoved Bernardo over twice in 3 seconds in the corner, 2 hands in the back. Nothing given, nothing said. It's a nonsense.
It's not match-fixing, but the Prem want a close race. They also want a new winner every so often. They know there's only so many times we can slip up and this was one of them. Expect Spurs and Arsenal to go close this year.
Was nowhere near the infamous Riley Rag's/Arse game in terms of overlooked violence but I agree with the sentiment. They were certainly afforded leniency by Taylor, and from the first minute his inaction's set the tone of the game. From thereon in we struggled to play our natural game.That's the things. Despite him saying before the game he'd referee it that way, it doesn't make it ok. The game descended into chaos - who do you think chaos suits? The 'orchestra' or the 'heavy metal' band. We thrive on control of a game. That went because of how the game was reffed. None of his decisions were even particularly bad for us, but his whole method gave them a headstart.
This is like a modern day version of the Old Trafford game where United were given carte-blanche to kick shit out of Arsenal when Mike Riley was ref. Its just that this time the ref came out first and said he was going to leave his whistle at home and you're free to do what you want. Back in those days Wenger or Fergie would come out before the game and demand a strong ref. Pep needs to come out and demand our players get protection. All their fullbacks do is run straight into people but nothing gets given. Milner shoved Bernardo over twice in 3 seconds in the corner, 2 hands in the back. Nothing given, nothing said. It's a nonsense.
It's not match-fixing, but the Prem want a close race. They also want a new winner every so often. They know there's only so many times we can slip up and this was one of them. Expect Spurs and Arsenal to go close this year.
Is it their year?Thats my thinking also esp after recent games.
Darren England who is on Var far too much for the Dippers and usually gives nothing against them as we saw yesterday, last season in the cups, their games v Everton etc actually ignored the most blatant penalty for the Dippers at Arsenal the other week. How he can do that is baffling, it was such a blatant penalty yet he for once and probably the only time ever did not give a decision the Dippers way which tells me perhaps there is something going on with Arsenal
And there is no evidence that it wasn't because conveniently for the PL we aren't privy to comm's.
Why does Taylor stop the game when he was concentrating on the action on the pitch? Something caught his attention which was deemed more important than our promising attack. The only way that happens is if he hears something in his earpiece.
Someone off the pitch instructed Taylor to stop the game at that precise moment, and yet we all know that cards can be dished out at a convenient moment AFTER the offence, and ESPECIALLY given that it was an off the field incident he should have been allowed to play on until after the attack.