Ref Watch

[Dave Ewing's Back 'eader]

Had Riyad been fouled as he was gonna hit the goalie with the ball and a pen was in the realms of being a stoner, not given, Brighton clear, go up the other end and score a perfectly good goal. What does VAR do with Riyad's pen. Absolute stoner, no question, ref wasn't giving it, just like PawPatrol on Saturday! We're trailing back for a restart. I fancy that VAR would ignore the pen. Would anyone think that Brighton would have their goal cancelled and we get the VAR pen. The game is a couple of kicks away from descending to farcical proportions.

 

[Odd socks]

Off work so thought I'd give Dermot a watch, like watching a different program without Warnock there.
Paul Robinson was bigging city up earlier on and was decent in summing up ( city should have had earlier pen by the way)

 

[Stephen230]

Had Riyad been fouled as he was gonna hit the goalie with the ball and a pen was in the realms of being a stoner, not given, Brighton clear, go up the other end and score a perfectly good goal. What does VAR do with Riyad's pen. Absolute stoner, no question, ref wasn't giving it, just like PawPatrol on Saturday! We're trailing back for a restart. I fancy that VAR would ignore the pen. Would anyone think that Brighton would have their goal cancelled and we get the VAR pen. The game is a couple of kicks away from descending to farcical proportions.

Pretty much exactly what happened to us at Anfield a couple of years ago wasn’t it? Well without the giving a penalty bit. Would have been a stone waller with today’s interpretation though.

There was one doing the rounds on social media last season of a German game I think, where it did exactly happen like that though. Goal chalked off at one end and back down the other end for a pen.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

Pretty much exactly what happened to us at Anfield a couple of years ago wasn’t it? Well without the giving a penalty bit. Would have been a stone waller with today’s interpretation though.

There was one doing the rounds on social media last season of a German game I think, where it did exactly happen like that though. Goal chalked off at one end and back down the other end for a pen.

There was something similar in the Nations League semi final a few years back between Portugal and Switzerland.

Ref gave a penalty to Portugal, but then had to look at the monitor and saw an earlier foul that meant it was a Swiss penalty instead. PR37 wasn’t impressed.

 

[Dave Ewing's Back 'eader]

There was something similar in the Nations League semi final a few years back between Portugal and Switzerland.

Ref gave a penalty to Portugal, but then had to look at the monitor and saw an earlier foul that meant it was a Swiss penalty instead. PR37 wasn’t impressed.

How 'earlier' was the Portuguese foul on the Swiss? And how many extra minutes did the fourth official add on for the game continuing beyond the Swiss pen? And did the Portuguese get their pen in the end? Some games would be better played on the stage of the old Ardwick Hippodrome.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

How 'earlier' was the Portuguese foul on the Swiss? And how many extra minutes did the fourth official add on for the game continuing beyond the Swiss pen? And did the Portuguese get their pen in the end? Some games would be better played on the stage of the old Ardwick Hippodrome.

Not sure on timings, but it was in the box at one end and the Portuguese countered and got their penalty.

Well, they didn’t as it was cancelled and the Swiss scored their penalty.

 

[Gordyola]

It could be that Gordyola is actually Lee Mason. Remember, you heard it first in this post!

Well you should know Mr Riley

 

[Gordyola]

Isn't a big part of the problem that there isn't really a definition of what is or isn't a penalty ? Well, it's supposed to be something you'd have got a (direct) free kick for outside the box, but we know it isn't applied like that or there'd be 2 or 3 penalties every game.

But because it has to be more significant than a foul anywhere else on the pitch, no one can agree how much more. So 10 "experts" can watch an incident a dozen times in slow motion from every angle ... and still 5 will say " clear penalty" and 5 say "well, he did catch him but there's not enough contact for me / he was looking for it / he went down too easily / etc".

Once you say that, then VAR also becomes subjective ?

VAR is a human so they make judgements in the same way, subjectively like all decisions in football except ones that are relative to a line be it painted or virtual

 

[Dave Ewing's Back 'eader]

Well you should know Mr Riley

Hey, I'm from the Les Tirebuck school of refereeing!

 

[Shaffer92]

It shouldn't be okay that a penalty as clear as day as the one that wasn't given to us from VAR is simply brushed over and not commented on. Very few incidents are less stonewall than that was.. Infuriating.

 

[Dave Ewing's Back 'eader]

It shouldn't be okay that a penalty as clear as day as the one that wasn't given to us from VAR is simply brushed over and not commented on. Very few incidents are less stonewall than that was.. Infuriating.

Well, I've got somewhat used to it over the last few seasons since VAR reared it's unfathomable head, and some time before. The one on Haarland wasn't the first that's been vacuumed up and ignored. There was the one on Silva about which Mike Riley himself apologised and the stoner on Sergio when Corporal Jones booked him for being fouled!

 

[VOOMER]

VAR is a human so they make judgements in the same way, subjectively like all decisions in football except ones that are relative to a line be it painted or virtual

No their not. They have both the time and technology to get decisions 100% correct, there is no excuse.

 

[mat]

Match officials for Matchweek 14

See who will be officiating in the weekend fixtures, including the Video Assistant Referees

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Never heard of him. Maybe a good thing?

Hoping Brentford's game is a typo as it claims Blobby Madeley is back in the PL.

 

[JRockBlues]

Looks like PiGMOL are following our new PM's lead by bringing back employee's that were formerly sacked.

 

[Gordyola]

No their not. They have both the time and technology to get decisions 100% correct, there is no excuse.

Time and technology The tech is a video from numerous angles, slow motion and freeze frame watched by a human who will make a subjective decision based on their knowledge of the laws of the game, one human may make a different decision to another one.

 

[Blue Mist]

Time and technology The tech is a video from numerous angles, slow motion and freeze frame watched by a human who will make a subjective decision based on their knowledge of the laws of the game, one human may make a different decision to another one.

And then instruct the other to get it wrong as well.

 

[Chi-town blues]

Looks like PiGMOL are following our new PM's lead by bringing back employee's that were formerly sacked.

Might as well bring back clattenburg back while at it.

 

[Harvster]

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Match officials for Matchweek 14

See who will be officiating in the weekend fixtures, including the Video Assistant Referees

www.premierleague.com

Never heard of him. Maybe a good thing?

Hoping Brentford's game is a typo as it claims Blobby Madeley is back in the PL.

Looks a bit like George Ezra

Somebody else will have to help if you've never heard of him either

 

[Deleted member 77198]

No they’re not. They have both the time and technology to get decisions 100% correct, there is no excuse.

It’s pretty much impossible to get things right 100% of the time in sports like football. Not all camera replays show us exactly what we need to see neither, even with two dozen cameras, we sometimes still don’t get to see the best angle or two different angles will show us two different things.

In that situation where one angle makes it look like someone has been fouled but the other one makes it look like he hasn’t, which one do you choose to follow to make your decision? The one where it looks like he has been fouled could just be showing a falsity where it’s just the angle and distance away from the incident that makes it look like a foul, and vice versa.

Two random fans who are very clued up about the LOTG can still disagree over a decision and justify their point to each other.

In both codes of rugby where the the Bunker (NRL) Video Ref (Super League) or Television Match Official (Rugby Union) are seen as excellently run and implemented, they still get decisions wrong. And you could get two refs from either code who’d disagree with each other over decisions.

I said this in another thread about Prem refs recently;
‘The referees are generally good. They have a very difficult job and get far too much bloody stick. I’d have our Prem refs over the terrible European refs any day.

They could definitely be better. But they’re not helped by wanker footballers constantly cheating, diving, feigning injury, claiming for everything and unrealistic fans who do nothing but complain about them all the time like they have no understanding that there is such a thing as human error and are a bit deluded when it comes to that.

We get the quality of referees we deserve in this sport because of the cheating players and the moaning fans. What sort of person would want to be a ref faced with a load of arseholes like they get from players and fans in football? The talent pool of referees is smaller than it would be if players stopped cheating and fans got real.’

One thing that must happen though is that we need to get all the officials mic’d up in footy. That would make a massive difference in trust.

 

[Stephen230]

No their not. They have both the time and technology to get decisions 100% correct, there is no excuse.

You’re asking for something that is never going to be achievable. There’s no other sport in the world where so many infringements are subjective. Some future super computer yet to be invented isn’t going to be able to prove if somebody has intentionally or accidentally handled a ball. Likewise potential fouls like the Silva penalty the other day. From one angle it looks for all the world like the defender has tripped him. The same incident viewed from a different angle and it looks like Silva has stuck his leg into the defender and he’s initiated the contact. You could have the best 10 referees in the world studying an incident like that for hours on end and they’d never reach a consensus.