Just hope we do not get him, Taylor or Attwell for the final as we have seen how the Rags are officiated.I think the basic problem with Oliver is that he lacks the balls to make big decisions. I remember the 2016 League Cup Final v Dippers when he denied us a blatant penalty for a foul on Sterling. On Weds he chose to not give us a stonewall penalty and he chose not to show an obvious second yellow to Partey, fact. The implication is that by not wanting to make the correct decision, he is in fact, not doing his job correctly. In my opinion he lacks honesty, which is another way of saying he is corrupt - there I said it : ).
I guess you would have to compare those stats with those of other clubs such as Liverpool and utd to see if there was any bias?Over the last 5 PL seasons (including this one) we've been awarded 41 penalties and conceded 23.
So we get given 1.8 penalties for every 1 against.
During the same period we've scored 461 goals and conceded 145. A ratio of 3.2 : 1
How is it possible for a side to be so dominant in terms of goals but nowhere near that when it comes to penalties? Over a 5 year time period, this HAS to be bias.
It's actually worse when you consider that the goals conceded total includes goals from all those penalties against us which by this argument shouldn't have been awarded.
To put it another way: if we were awarded penalties at the same ratio as our goalscoring, we'd get around 15 every season. Just in the PL.
I can see both sides of the argument of the Partey challenge on Kev, and the debate suggests it can't be a clear and obvious error, so perhaps not one for VAR.
It does show why the discussion between the referee and VAR needs to be available to broadcasters though, as if we could hear Oliver say I think Partey gets his leg between Kev and the ball and then Kev kicks him, you'd expect VAR to agree and not therefore send him to have a look. As it is, we've no idea what's being discussed, even the players can't get the VAR reasoning, which at a minimum leaves it open to abuse and corruption. Although they're probably concerned you'd have heard Oliver shouting "C'mon Arsenal"
Just hope we do not get him, Taylor or Attwell for the final as we have seen how the Rags are officiated.
Last 2 Cup Final Wins they had the offside goal allowed v Newcastle and when Southampton were fucked over in their 3-2 defeat inc a goal wrongly ruled out for offside when 0-0
I honestly think Oliver got that call right. Kev actually kicked Partey. I think a few on here need to remove their blinkers.
It's not a penalty as Partey is within playing distance of the ball and is therefore able to use his body or legs as a shield.
Yep - I read that and there is a consistent view from them that the ref gave them everythingIn hindsight Arse supporters are saying Oliver favoured us but I’ve just read the match thread on Arse Mania and they are clearly grateful for the decisions going their way.
Make of that what you will
Crunch some numbers around time in the penalty box and possession percentage figure ratios Carol.Over the last 5 PL seasons (including this one) we've been awarded 41 penalties and conceded 23.
So we get given 1.8 penalties for every 1 against.
During the same period we've scored 461 goals and conceded 145. A ratio of 3.2 : 1
How is it possible for a side to be so dominant in terms of goals but nowhere near that when it comes to penalties? Over a 5 year time period, this HAS to be bias.
It's actually worse when you consider that the goals conceded total includes goals from all those penalties against us which by this argument shouldn't have been awarded.
To put it another way: if we were awarded penalties at the same ratio as our goalscoring, we'd get around 15 every season. Just in the PL.
It will be Kavanagh after his (awful) performance in the derby which favoured the red neighbours.Oliver or Taylor won’t be doing the cup final. They’ve both already done two.
Then it's still wrong as his 'shielding' is between KDBs feet, not in front of them that would put KDB in control of the ball.I dont want to really keep explaining about Shielding and Playing Distance, but the interpretation last evening was based on Law 12.
No he only bottles them one way. If he bottled all decisions I might disagree with him but at least it would be fair. Jesus and Rodri at other end he'd have given it straight away. Rodri commits a hold when on a yellow, sorry its a second and your off.What about Partey‘s wrestling move any rules in there saying that wasn’t another yellow card, it’s bollocks, Oliver bottles all the big decisions
The City+ commentary also said Johnny, Johnny Stones was definitely offside and couldn't understand why VAR was taking so long to ascertain Johnny, Johnny Stones was offside because they could see Johnny, Johnny Stones was definitely offside...Just watched it again on City+, the commentary for the penalty is as follows, from 8:12:
" Ramsdale's spilt it, De Bruyne's brought down, penalty!.. no, what's Michael Oliver given? What's he given Michael Oliver?... Well it looked like a foul on De Bruyne, what's he given Michael Oliver?...He's given a free kick to Arsenal and not a penalty to City. Well I am not sure what he thinks has just happened there? Andy?... It's looks as though he's insinuating De Bruyne has... stepped across..., yeh... I can see Partey has just got his foot in there, and De Bruyne's has...yes I can see why, but initially, yeh, I can see it's the right decision, and in fact it's a very, very good decision because you can see the initial thought is penalty, and I think everyone of us thought it was, but, looking at it, he's correct...Well in reality what happened was De Bruyne went to hit the ball into the back of the net, after Ramsdale's spilt it, Partey came in to stop De Bruyne, De Bruyne's took a swing to where he thought the ball was and kicked Partey, and the two of them then fell over. So it is one of those where Michael Oliver has the gut instinct that it was the attacker that caused the collision, rather than the defensive midfielder, and it's the reason Andy felt it wasn't a penalty, "
I still think Oliver was very biased to Arsenal, but unfortunately I have to agree with the City commentary on the early penalty.
No, that was ClattenburgNo he only bottles them one way. If he bottled all decisions I might disagree with him but at least it would be fair. Jesus and Rodri at other end he'd have given it straight away. Rodri commits a hold when on a yellow, sorry its a second and he's off.
And before anyone says you don't know that this is the ref that gave a penalty against Sterling (when he was at City against Spurs) for handball when Sterling was outside the area and it hit his back.
My bad, all the shithouses blur into oneNo, that was Clattenburg
Exactly. Add in Taylor, Atwell etc etc etcMy bad, all the shithouses blur into one
Why have you posted that six times on one page ? The pic of the non pen that isExplain pillock
It will be Kavanagh after his (awful) performance in the derby which favoured the red neighbours.
They're not speaking to the ref before the initial decision, but surely there's some communication before the VAR decision or is the on field ref just stood there wondering what's happening like the rest of the people in the stadium?Some people clearly believe all sorts of people are whispering in the refs ear but IF you believe what they say the protocol is, then there’s no discussion between referees and VARs before he makes a live decision.
The VAR doesn’t have a ongoing live communication with the onfiejd officials. He can hear everything they are saying to each other. But needs to press a button to get involved. In a case like this he decided there was no obvious error ( even if he personally thought it was a probably a penalty ) so they’re would have been no communication between the two.
I think it's mad that our refs are interpreting shielding a ball as only about being within playing distance of the ball. That is lunacy.
Imagine this interpretation leading to all kinds of new desparate lunges from defenders, jumping into or in front of attackers under the banner of "shielding", just because they may or may not be deemed within playing distance of the ball!
Shielding of course is a bona fide way of protecting the ball but please don't try and tell us what partey did can ever be construed as shielding.
It was a desperate lunge into kevs space to prevent him pulling the trigger on a shot.
Clear penalty
They're not speaking to the ref before the initial decision, but surely there's some communication before the VAR decision or is the on field ref just stood there wondering what's happening like the rest of the people in the stadium?