Ref Watch

[Chi-town blues]

sniff, sniff, sniff

Looks like man city needs to take ballet lessons now.

 

[SebastianBlue]

Nobody, least of all me, is denying there are frustrating inconsistencies.

I was just answering the guy who asked what I thought the process would be in a case like Grealish’s handball.

There wasn’t a similar handball in the match. I was talking specifically about when there is clear evidence the ball touches the hand while the hand is high up near head height. They’ll always be an exception somewhere but I can’t recall one where that hasn’t been given. I remember a Leeds one the other week that looked awfully harsh and he was even shoved from behind into ball.

But whether you or me or Alan Shearer like it or not, they are consistently giving those where their hands are up near head height pretty much every time.

I’ll be honest, I don’t have the energy or inclination to compile video evidence of the various similar handballs that have not been given in the league and cups by the same officiating teams, but I am absolutely sure there have been many. We have discussed them ad nauseam. Pundits and journalists are discussing the inconsistency in the wake of the Grealish handball.

I am sure if you scoured the pages of this and the VAR thread you could even find me posting about them as they happened, as I have tried to do the second half of the season to build a body of evidence of the inconsistency (at best) of officiating in England.

I suppose, if I am able to be as active next season, I will implement a tagging system to mark my entries of these incidents for easy compilation later for our debates.

Should I also tag you in to each for your reference?

 

[Trevor Morley's Tache]

Looks like man city needs to take ballet lessons now.

The Rag's used to (and probably still do) practice diving, so why not?

 

[Bluearmy]

I thought it was a penalty, and like I said I don’t think var would have intervened had it been given either.

I’d be interested to see the vid again to confirm I still think that though, don’t think a still image proves that much.

He kicked him to stop him getting to the ball and likely scoring. Its as clear a pen as there is…. The ref in charge of the VAR should be sacked on the spot

 

[SebastianBlue]

 

[meltonblue]

He kicked him to stop him getting to the ball and likely scoring. Its as clear a pen as there is…. The ref in charge of the VAR should be sacked on the spot

I wouldn’t go that far, think it’s a some will give it, some won’t.

 

[SebastianBlue]

I wouldn’t go that far, think it’s a some will give it, some won’t.

I think it’s a case of ‘if it’s on De Bruyne, by a player in a red shirt, don’t give it.”

 

[Maly]

The VAR will initially show him the best angle that supports his opinion that it’s a penalty. He’ll then ask if he wants to see any more angles or if he’s happy? It’s then up to the referee if he’s seen enough or wants to see alternate angles. They pretty much always decline.

Really? So if the VAR ref has 2 angles of an incident, one angle shows a potential foul & the other shows it probably wasn’t, the VAR ref gets to choose what images the on pitch ref sees?

That doesn’t sound plausible, so can you verify how you know this to be true please mate as it sounds like you’re saying the VAR ref is making the decisions instead of the in field ref?

 

[old blue]

You hope I commit suicide because we disagree about the interpretation of a players movement in a football match?

I have a spare parachute you could borrow. I hope you realise that my comment was tongue in cheek but if you were offended I offer my most sincere apologies.

 

[Bluearmy]

I wouldn’t go that far, think it’s a some will give it, some won’t.

Eh. You cant kick a player to stop them getting to the ball. If you watch that back and dont see it as a foul/penalty, you’re a clown!!

 

[Bluearmy]

I think it’s a case of ‘if it’s on De Bruyne, by a player in a red shirt, don’t give it.”

Bingo

 

[Gundoggin]

I wouldn’t go that far, think it’s a some will give it, some won’t.

 

[Maly]

I thought Jenas said he thought that it was deliberate, but didn't say more than that.

The way he steps across him, I’m pretty certain it was intentional. Plus he has a habit of stamping on ankles

 

[Skip Donoghue]

It really isn't though. If I do a 180 turn in mid air, my arms don't flail out (I just tried it! )

Was you running backwards and jumping while looking at a ball moving through the air then stretching every sinue in your body to reach said ball?

I'm going to guess the answer to that is no, so your 180 spin in these circumstances is I'm afraid of no use

 

[Gordyola]

Really? So if the VAR ref has 2 angles of an incident, one angle shows a potential foul & the other shows it probably wasn’t, the VAR ref gets to choose what images the on pitch ref sees?

That doesn’t sound plausible, so can you verify how you know this to be true please mate as it sounds like you’re saying the VAR ref is making the decisions instead of the in field ref?

I think this is correct there use to be a VAR handbook online I can’t find it now The ref will tell VAR what he saw and why he gave his decision if VAR feels there’s clear and obvious error he will ask the ref to check the monitor where he will show him an alternative angle, I’m going now that if he’s still not convinced he will show him additional views

 

[Trevor Morley's Tache]

I wouldn’t go that far, think it’s a some will give it, some won’t.

The same referee in the same match gives that decision against us at the other end.

 

[meltonblue]

Eh. You cant kick a player to stop them getting to the ball. If you watch that back and dont see it as a foul/penalty, you’re a clown!!

No but some refs allow players to block by putting their leg across when they’re in front. The level they allow that to happen then varies.

 

[meltonblue]

The same referee in the same match gives that decision against us at the other end.

Maybe so. That’s a different point though!

 

[Trevor Morley's Tache]

Maybe so. That’s a different point though!

It's still inconsistent though, only the reasoning differs.

 

[meltonblue]

It's still inconsistent though, only the reasoning differs.

Right but referees always will be inconsistent with their application of a lot of the laws, if they’re inconsistent in the same game purely driven by which team it is then that’s clearly wrong.