Referees’ Performances | 2024/2025

moomba said:
Commentary said it wasn't clear and obvious so they stuck with refs original decision.

Anyone recall the ref ruling out the goal when it happened? And if so why did we celebrate it?

Seems dodgy.
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I saw the ref rule it out. The commentary were both idiots.
 
Bluesince1979 said:
Crazy that the ref could see it to make that decision.
He couldnt have known 100%. So why not let the goal stand and THEN go the var route?

A referee out of his depth tonight
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Don't know and under 'clear and obvious' that's huge because basically his decision stands.

I'd just let him watch it at the monitor again with no VAR input.
 
MCFC1993 said:
Ref did disallow it, it just took a minute, that's why only 1 or 2 lads were over with Haaland.

Matterface just didn't realise.
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Presume he did. What I'm thinking is the VAR ref doesn't know this and thinks he's confirming a goal. Otherwise they'd be looking for nailed on penalties. There was at least one deliberate one by a spurs player before Haaland even touched the ball. It just looks like a massive communication issue again
 
As I understand it the ref has to give an on field decision as they do in rugby. Presumably he gave the on field decision as no goal although he must have been guessing from his angle and distance from the ball. VAR then has to find clear evidence that it wasn’t hand ball to overturn the decision and bafflingly they couldn’t despite Spurs supporting Hoddle saying it wasn’t handball and despite all angles showing no handball except by both players from Spurs. Another VAR shit show.
 
BerkshireBlue said:
Presume he did. What I'm thinking is the VAR ref doesn't know this and thinks he's conforming a goal. Otherwise they'd be looking for nailed on penalties. There was at least one deliberate one by a spurs player before Haaland even touched the ball. It just looks like a massive communication issue again
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No, VAR would have said 'no reason to overturn your decision, no goal'.

Matterface hadn't realised it was ruled out on the field, so VAR was saying no goal.

They cleared up the communication thing after making a huge error in a game last season.
 
MCFC1993 said:
No, VAR would have said 'no reason to overturn your decision, no goal'.

Matterface hadn't realised it was ruled out on the field, so VAR was saying no goal.

They cleared up the communication thing after making a huge error in a game last season.
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But did that happen? I don't think it has. The commentators hear what VAR says and they heard original decision stands and nothing about "no goal". the commentators thought it was a goal from that.
 
MCFC1993 said:
Unfortunately that's not how the current handball law works because of VAR deliberate or accidental doesn't matter.

FWIW I don't think any player, defender or attacker handballed it.
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The issue is the ref disallowing the goal on the pitch for a handball he couldn’t have possibly seen knowing that VAR would review the goal. By doing so, he ensured the goal would more likely than not remain disallowed.

That is not how officiating is meant to work in football. They aren’t meant to disallow goals when they can’t tell if an attacking player handled the ball before scoring!
 
HypnoticBlue said:
Or doing as he’s told.
City should take these bent officials & PL to the cleaners, it’s a disgrace.
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Honestly, im as anti prem/refs/uefa etc as anyone, i truly believe there is an agenda at the top to stop us.
But … i think decisions like that are just down to utter incompetence. People just not good enough at their jobs and out of depth
 
MCFC1993 said:
No, VAR would have said 'no reason to overturn your decision, no goal'.

Matterface hadn't realised it was ruled out on the field, so VAR was saying no goal.

They cleared up the communication thing after making a huge error in a game last season.
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Why bother checking for 5 mins on VAR if the only outcome could ever have been no goal???

Also, surely as part of their review they should have called out that the defender handled the ball?
 
Bluesince1979 said:
Honestly, im as anti prem/refs/uefa etc as anyone, i truly believe there is an agenda at the top to stop us.
But … i think decisions like that are just down to utter incompetence. People just not good enough at their jobs and out of depth
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I agree. I don’t think the ref was bent, I just think he was well out of his depth tonight.
 
BerkshireBlue said:
But did that happen? I don't think it has. The commentators hear what VAR says and they heard original decision stands and nothing about "no goal". the commentators thought it was a goal from that.
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I think Matterface just got caught up in the celebrations, all the City players around the ref knew it was no goal and the ref would have told VAR, I've ruled it out, should it be overturned.

The bigger issue is the current handball rule. Been saying it was 3 or 4 years now.
 
Blue Abroad said:
Imagine if Spurs’ last chance had gone in after the ref gave a handball on the pitch he couldn’t possibly have seen to disallow our second, as even VAR watching replays over and over for 6 minutes couldn’t tell.

I don’t understand why you would even give it on the pitch knowing VAR will review the goal. If VAR are not able to decide conclusively than it should be a goal, not the other way around!
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Cheating plain and simple from the officials and VAR, first half the linesman flagged Doku for offside & Hoddle thought he might have even been on !! So why flag when they are told not too ? #Cheating****
 
Blue Abroad said:
The issue is the ref disallowing the goal on the pitch for a handball he couldn’t have possibly seen knowing that VAR would review the goal. By doing so, he ensured the goal would more likely than not remain disallowed.

That is not how officiating is meant to work in football. They aren’t meant to disallow goals when they can’t tell if an attacking player handled the ball before scoring!
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Don't disagree. The 'clear and obvious' thing means the refs decision is important and I think he did guess based on where the ball was and how it got through to Haaland.

I'd argue the handball rule has been wank since VAR came in too but I've moaned about that for 3 or 4 years.
 
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