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[inbetween]

Of course we did, but we won the cold war so to the victor the spoils etc. if you look at the resources and strategies position of Ukraine we'd be fools not to at least try and get them into NATO/Ukraine. Eventually if we can site US nukes there within spitting distance of Moscow it will render Putin's military threat to Europe and the west pretty much void. Not sure why we can't just be honest about this instead of dressing it up as an 'ethical' war - the same bollocks Putin spouts for being there.

US nukes are within range of Moscow from the mainland US so placing them next door to the Russian border makes no difference. Our own submarines could hit Moscow from anywhere on the planet. This thing that NATO expanded into the east to pressure Russia is misleading. Of course we're pressuring Russia but that's because of the actions of Russia.

Putin would rather see Ukraine as a warzone forever providing that it does not become a growing economic centre aligned to the west on his doorstep. The irony is that Russia should be a strong economic ally too and these were the ideals that should perhaps have occurred after Gorbachev but instead later they got Putin who has ended all of that.

Russia should be a great leading country but it is currently being held hostage by nothing more than a gangster.

 

[Vic]

Well, ' responsible' neatly covers both cause and justification which I suspect is why the question was phrased that way. The interviewer was likely trying to get a soundbite from Rice which could be spun as saying Putin was justified and therefore by implication he supports him. Then we can have a day of memes portraying Putin and farage holding hands/bumming etc.

They were trying to get him to disagree with Farage - or agree. He avoided it.

 

[mosssideblue]

US nukes are within range of Moscow from the mainland US so placing them next door to the Russian border makes no difference. Our own submarines could hit Moscow from anywhere on the planet. This thing that NATO expanded into the east to pressure Russia is misleading. Of course we're pressuring Russia but that's because of the actions of Russia.

Putin would rather see Ukraine as a warzone forever providing that it does not become a growing economic centre aligned to the west on his doorstep. The irony is that Russia should be a strong economic ally too and these were the ideals that should perhaps have occurred after Gorbachev but instead later they got Putin who has ended all of that.

Russia should be a great leading country but it is currently being held hostage by nothing more than a gangster.

Are you sure?

 

[mosssideblue]

US nukes are within range of Moscow from the mainland US so placing them next door to the Russian border makes no difference. Our own submarines could hit Moscow from anywhere on the planet. This thing that NATO expanded into the east to pressure Russia is misleading. Of course we're pressuring Russia but that's because of the actions of Russia.

Putin would rather see Ukraine as a warzone forever providing that it does not become a growing economic centre aligned to the west on his doorstep. The irony is that Russia should be a strong economic ally too and these were the ideals that should perhaps have occurred after Gorbachev but instead later they got Putin who has ended all of that.

Russia should be a great leading country but it is currently being held hostage by nothing more than a gangster.

Totally agree. Whether they can ever become that in the future, i'm not sure

 

[hilts]

What is the actual purpose of this party other than be incendiary?

To get votes from people on the right of politics would be the obvious answer.

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

To get votes from people on the right of politics would be the obvious answer.

I still think farage just sees reform as a vehicle to insert himself at the top of the wreckage of the conservatives party.

 

[hilts]

I still think farage just sees reform as a vehicle to insert himself at the top of the wreckage of the conservatives party.

Possibly so but in a democracy people can and have set up parties across the whole spectrum of politics. Just because I or someone else don't like what a certain party stands for doesn't mean they shouldn't exist unless they are breaking the law.

Refusing to accept certain elements in our society exist is just sticking ones head in the sand.

 

[inbetween]

Are you sure?

Of course, the range of Trident is 7000 miles+ which basically means more or less anywhere. That doesn't matter that much as Russia would rely upon its close ballistic defense but then the west has thousands of warheads which would probably overwhelm that...

The single biggest threat to Ukraine from Russia is nuclear blackmail but that isn't a problem whilst the west is involved which is another reason to maintain deterrence.

The Reform ideas are pretty odd really, they want to vastly increase the army and spending but they don't want to poke the bear. So if Russia is to be left alone then who is the threat that requires a massive army? I think the greater obsession for them is China.

 

[mosssideblue]

Of course, the range of Trident is 7000 miles+ which basically means more or less anywhere. That doesn't matter that much as Russia would rely upon its close ballistic defense but then the west has thousands of warheads which would probably overwhelm that...

The single biggest threat to Ukraine from Russia is nuclear blackmail but that isn't a problem whilst the west is involved which is another reason to maintain deterrence.

The Reform ideas are pretty odd really, they want to vastly increase the army and spending but they don't want to poke the bear. So if Russia is to be left alone then who is the threat that requires a massive army? I think the greater obsession for them is China.

7000 miles is far from anywhere on the planet. Optimum range brings your targets a lot closer

 

[grunge]

Of course, the range of Trident is 7000 miles+ which basically means more or less anywhere. That doesn't matter that much as Russia would rely upon its close ballistic defense but then the west has thousands of warheads which would probably overwhelm that...

The single biggest threat to Ukraine from Russia is nuclear blackmail but that isn't a problem whilst the west is involved which is another reason to maintain deterrence.

The Reform ideas are pretty odd really, they want to vastly increase the army and spending but they don't want to poke the bear. So if Russia is to be left alone then who is the threat that requires a massive army? I think the greater obsession for them is China.

its pretty much just nit picking in the reality of it as they will be positioned where they need to be rather than other side of the planet, but depnding on what you read the range is 4 - 6.5k miles ( from google ) is no where near full coverage. its a long way no doubt, but its about half the planet rather than full.

Circumference of the earth is about 24k miles. so if your on the other side of the planet your at least 12k miles away.

this is 4k miles.