refs,what will it take?

[Blue Hefner]

The game is fine as it is, though unfortunately with the introduction of goal line technology, (which I agree with), we are on that slope to the game turning on it's head. It won't be a free-flowing game if the calls for complete technological assessments of incidents come in, as it won't stop with one particular incident, it will be called to come in for every single thing that happens and before you know it we will have a stop/start game of nonsense. Things even themselves out just fine for every club, yet no one will agree to that as people have their own beef when it comes to a decision going against their team, yet rarely see the ones that go for it.

I personally hope goal line tech is where the line is drawn, so to speak.

But it isn't free-flowing. as there is so much diving and appealing going on.
The game generally stops when there is a big decision the Rooney kick and the Chelsea pen,

 

[Pigeonho]

The game is fine as it is, though unfortunately with the introduction of goal line technology, (which I agree with), we are on that slope to the game turning on it's head. It won't be a free-flowing game if the calls for complete technological assessments of incidents come in, as it won't stop with one particular incident, it will be called to come in for every single thing that happens and before you know it we will have a stop/start game of nonsense. Things even themselves out just fine for every club, yet no one will agree to that as people have their own beef when it comes to a decision going against their team, yet rarely see the ones that go for it.

I personally hope goal line tech is where the line is drawn, so to speak.

But it isn't free-flowing. as there is so much diving and appealing going on.
The game generally stops when there is a big decision the Rooney kick and the Chelsea pen,

You kind of acknowledge my point. Thing is is that if you bring it in for one thing, 'they' will want more, those who think it's not fair. Bring in for a late tackle, for example, and before you know it people will be calling for it to be brought in for the slightest thing and then a 90 minute game becomes god knows how long. About that too, does added time get brought in for those video replays? If something goes on during 15 minutes of time added due to those replays, does more time get added? The game will become a complete farce if it goes down this route. Goal line tech should, in my opinion, be where technology ends.

 

[Bill]

The game is fine as it is, though unfortunately with the introduction of goal line technology, (which I agree with), we are on that slope to the game turning on it's head. It won't be a free-flowing game if the calls for complete technological assessments of incidents come in, as it won't stop with one particular incident, it will be called to come in for every single thing that happens and before you know it we will have a stop/start game of nonsense. Things even themselves out just fine for every club, yet no one will agree to that as people have their own beef when it comes to a decision going against their team, yet rarely see the ones that go for it.

I personally hope goal line tech is where the line is drawn, so to speak.

what a surprise.

Is that really all you can reply with/to? That doesn't surprise me either to be honest.
Each to their own, you have your view and I have mine. I do wonder if you cared so much pre takeover, though I'm sure you will say you did. As I say though you have your opinion and I have mine, and the game isn't doing us too badly as it stands.

Boyblue. Been having the odd peek, other than that just sacked it off in the main.

read my posts in the stuart brennan thread.

 

[Mdr]

I guess the most important question is what do we value more, what do people want. A much stronger posibility that the right decision will be made but with the risk of the game being stopped from time to time or keep it the way it is, but with the game being allowed to flow.
What do you all value more, because we can't have it both ways. Something has to give.
I do think we're falling behind other sports, even the Irish sports, GAA are trialing hawkeye. We need to do something because it can't stay as it is.
For me, I'm sick to death of thousands of people in the ground and everyone watching on tv seeing what really happened but because the referee didn't see it in real time, the wrong decision is made.

I think people are getting too ahead of themselves when they talk about the game losing it's "flow".
Rugby uses the techology brilliantly, in my opinion, obviously some disagree, but I think they do it really well.

The TMO, television match official, as several powers that include..

Being consulted whether a try was scored.
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Consultation over whether a goal was scored or not would take a matter of seconds.

They can notify the referee of foul play.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AtTaMD0lPoI[/youtube]
If the referee misses something he can inform the referee. So many times a ref has completely missed something that everyone else has seen, this would save a lot of time and drama.

They can be consulted by the referee on incidents of possible foul play.
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How many times has the referee been unsure on what really happened. Maybe it's a red card, maybe it's a penalty. It looked like a bad tackle but maybe it was a dive. This would make the job much easier for the ref.

The big screen can also be used by the referee without consulting the touchline officials or the TMO.
How many times have we all seen it, the referee has seen it on the big screen but it can't have an impact on his decision. It's right there, it would take seconds to use.

The ball goes out of play every few seconds, decisions can be made on the next break in play. If it's a bad tackle, a bad injury or the players milking it, the game is usually stopped when the player stays down, again the decision can be made then.
Same applies on whether it was a goal or not.

It doesn't have to impact on the game the way people think.
It works well for rugby, that game flows well, maybe not as much as football, but it certainly doesn't have as much stoppages as American football, it's used sparingly and most of the time the right decision is made. I think it would work well.

But at the end of the day, people have to figure out what they want, the right decisions, with the possibility of a few stoppages (though realistically, stops occur at those moments anyway, or seconds after) or the game to flow but it kept as it, because we can't have it both ways.
I guess it's a matter of priorities.

 

[andrewmswift]

virtually every sport in the U.S. has some sort of instant replay, so the debate in the UK and on bluemoon is absolutely astounding to me. you would think sports fans merely want the right decisions, but i guess not, some like this puritanical myth of "that's the game" and it "all evens out." lunacy, I say.

Ever tried watching an American football game? Rhetorical question, as I'm sure you have. Maybe it doesn't bother you, and that's fine. Everyone's got the right to their own opinion.

But for my part the endless stoppages are intolerable. And the endless replays are a big part.

I live in the US now and a lot of my friends have watched Throwball all their lives. Most of them say they liked it better before all the replays. They say the game had more flow, was quicker. When you saw something happen you could process it and not be thinking - yeah, we scored! but wait, are they going to review it?

See, to me it is astounding that anyone would want the replays because of this.

America football is slow as shit but it's not because of replays, it's because of TV timeouts every two minutes and the fact that the way the game is played necessitates 6 seconds of action and 45 seconds of standing around in the huddle. nothing to do with the replay system

 

[Deleted member 58678]

for the 4th official to get involved.

following on from our game last week (larsson) and wes brown yesterday and god knows how many other absolute howlers is it not time for someone to insist on that 4th view. yesterday was a no brainer but even 50/50's can be judged from the line in a split second. this product called football and in particular the premier league is just too big and worth far too much money for the outcome to be decided by one referee. lets leave the obvious agenda out of it and assume one or two are honest, its not fair on them to get blasted when it goes tits. at the speed it's played at nowadays they need help. it's there for them yet we ignore it.

had I been poyet yesterday I would have taken my players off. someone somewhere has to make a stand.

bear in mind that like us last week the fans had paid a lot of money and travelled a long way for the game to be decided like that. I said last season I was easing up on aways purely for this reason. you take a day off , spend lots of money only to be dicked by the ref.

other fans will eventually think the same way

There's every chance that the ref is looking at one of the dug outs as they jump up, he could be sorting out the digital number board for a sub or stoppage time, or that he's thinking about what to have for his tea and he misses the crucial action.

This sport needs a video ref!

In the time it takes for the managers and benches to be calmed down, everyone on the pitch to run in to a big huddle around the ref, push and shove each other, swear at the ref, and maybe even one or two players jump on the floor pretending to have been full-on head butted...the referee can say "video ref, just have a look at that incident for me"..............................30 seconds later the video ref can reply "just had a look, nowt in it, let's get on with the game" or "yep, blatant over the ball studs up challenge, red card".

 

[Deleted member 58678]

virtually every sport in the U.S. has some sort of instant replay, so the debate in the UK and on bluemoon is absolutely astounding to me. you would think sports fans merely want the right decisions, but i guess not, some like this puritanical myth of "that's the game" and it "all evens out." lunacy, I say.

Ever tried watching an American football game? Rhetorical question, as I'm sure you have. Maybe it doesn't bother you, and that's fine. Everyone's got the right to their own opinion.

But for my part the endless stoppages are intolerable. And the endless replays are a big part.

I live in the US now and a lot of my friends have watched Throwball all their lives. Most of them say they liked it better before all the replays. They say the game had more flow, was quicker. When you saw something happen you could process it and not be thinking - yeah, we scored! but wait, are they going to review it?

See, to me it is astounding that anyone would want the replays because of this.

But football is filled with intolerable stoppages.

Players diving or feigning injury results in teams flapping their arms around like someone's just stood on a landmine and the ball is kicked out of play for the physio to come on and talk to the soft cünts for a minute and then walk off the pitch together at snails pace.
When there's a free kick there are up to six or seven players running around the ref to have a moan or square up to an opposing player like they're going to Mike Tyson their arse when they aren't going to do a fucking thing, then they stand in front of the ball and slow the kick down, then they don't get back the 8m/10yds the ref paces out, then they do, then they start walking forward so the ref has to have a word with them.
When there's a corner there's loads of pushing and pulling so the ref has to stop the game and have a word with people, or the ball isn't in the triangle thing so it has to be retaken.
When a shit team or a Mourinho team is playing away every goal kick can take from 40 seconds up to a full minute to take as they want to waste as much time as possible. Even throw ins can take 30 seconds.

All this and the ref doesn't add on all the time wasted from it all neither. Other sports have a proper clock that stops when there's a break in play.

 

[ifiwasarichfan]

I think for things to change all parties need to become more honest and it just might make the Referees job a little easier.

David Moyes defence of Rooney's lunge was pathetic although not quite as bad as Mark Hughes saying that Wes Brown's tackle on Charlie Adam "caught the lad".

The same goes for the Posters of Bluemoon.

Awful Referee on Wednesday - a soft dodgy penalty that would have had a 20 page thread had it gone the other way. Milner went the whole game thinking he was in an Everton shirt and if it moved he kicked out at it and should have had three bookings.

As for Yaya- he took his opponent out with both feet off the ground, very late and it was so high he nearly hit the lad's hip !

 

[MillionDollarDream]

Yesterday a coach in the NBA was fined $50,000 because he told one of his players to run into him on purpose and spill his drink to cause a stoppage which caused a stoppage long enough for them to draw up a play since they were out of timeouts.

What's significant about this is he was only caught via replay and after the game was reviewed afterwards which slowed down the replay and sees his mouth move to say "hit me" to his player before the player bumps into him. This is what some were calling for after seeing Rooney's challenge at Cardiff, he should be fined and/or suspended after the fact once watched by a committee of refs to see that is indeed a red card challenge.

 

[Barcon]

Yesterday a coach in the NBA was fined $50,000 because he told one of his players to run into him on purpose and spill his drink to cause a stoppage which caused a stoppage long enough for them to draw up a play since they were out of timeouts.

What's significant about this is he was only caught via replay and after the game was reviewed afterwards which slowed down the replay and sees his mouth move to say "hit me" to his player before the player bumps into him. This is what some were calling for after seeing Rooney's challenge at Cardiff, he should be fined and/or suspended after the fact once watched by a committee of refs to see that is indeed a red card challenge.

The fact that a game was stopped because somebody on the side of the pitch spilled his drink says it all really.