Refugee crisis

[ManCitizens.]

Erm, no. Of course we fucking wouldn't.

pre/during WWII men were conscripted into a well trained, well equipped, modern, professional and established army. A far fucking cry from "some weapons and basic training".

Have you never seen a war film ManCitizens?!?! In the entire history of ill-conceived posts on BM (and there've been a lot of them), this is right up there.

I'd agree if Isis had as many men, supplies and the training the Nazi's had, Isis are fighting in the shadows twisting the minds of vulnerable people. It works both ways.

Whilst WWII men were well trained and equipped, so were the Nazis (even more so). In it's simplest form this would be two unorganised forces fighting each other, the obvious problem would be what Isis would be willing to do to innocent people.

 

[The Count Of Monte Cristo]

I'd agree if Isis had as many men, supplies and the training the Nazi's had, Isis are fighting in the shadows twisting the minds of vulnerable people. It works both ways.

Whilst WWII men were well trained and equipped, so were the Nazis (even more so). In it's simplest form this would be two unorganised forces fighting each other, the obvious problem would be what Isis would be willing to do to innocent people.

You need to have a look at their (ISIS) estimated numbers and rethink your post.
To save you a job it's somewhere between 31,500 - 200,000 depending on the source. Either way it's more than a few ISIS members 'in the shadows' I'm not sure if 'some weapons and basic training' given to civilians who are essentially teachers, doctors etc. is gonna cut it.

 

[stony]

This has been done to death OP, it has been covered on the threads about refugees/ISIS.
Ahh just saw @stony's post - like that is it.

Genuinely my first thought. Wondered why it took so long to be honest

When I see threads like this from the op, i sometimes think he's having us on, taking us all for for mugs.
I mean 'Johnson' in America it's slangword for a penis, or in Mancinian a dick. "On the left" surely has to be ironic, because the OP has proved time and again that he is so far to the right that if Hitler were alive and holding a dinner party he would cross him off the guest list for being too radical.
The only logical conclusion is that Johnsononetheleft is a right dick.

 

[M18CTID]

When I see threads like this from the op, i sometimes think he's having us on, taking us all for for mugs.
I mean 'Johnson' in America it's slangword for a penis, or in Mancinian a dick. "On the left" surely has to be ironic, because the OP has proved time and again that he is so far to the right that if Hitler were alive and holding a dinner party he would cross him off the guest list for being too radical.
The only logical conclusion is that Johnsononetheleft is a right dick.

I could be completely wrong but I always thought his username was to do with a certain ex-player of ours (who is now up on charges of having sex with an under-age girl) and which side of the pitch the poster would prefer to see him play. Of course, I see where he stands politically and it certainly isn't on the left. If the question about the possibility of ISIS infiltrating the flood of refugees into Europe hadn't been asked by him I think it would've been given more credence. It's an added concern in all this and we have to hope that thorough checks are done on those coming in.

 

[M18CTID]

I'd agree if Isis had as many men, supplies and the training the Nazi's had, Isis are fighting in the shadows twisting the minds of vulnerable people. It works both ways.

Whilst WWII men were well trained and equipped, so were the Nazis (even more so). In it's simplest form this would be two unorganised forces fighting each other, the obvious problem would be what Isis would be willing to do to innocent people.

I really don't think it's that easy. These people have literally next to nothing to fight with and I don't think it's simply a case of training up people with no experience and making a good go of it. ISIS are a lot more organised than you think and have a shit load of money behind them meaning they have the kind of firepower that allows them to go into certain places and literally roll them over. Even highly experienced Kurdish fighters are being stretched to the limit in trying to see them off.

 

[jay_mcfc]

I really don't think it's that easy. These people have literally next to nothing to fight with and I don't think it's simply a case of training up people with no experience and making a good go of it. ISIS are a lot more organised than you think and have a shit load of money behind them meaning they have the kind of firepower that allows them to go into certain places and literally roll them over. Even highly experienced Kurdish fighters are being stretched to the limit in trying to see them off.

That's Stony's point. He's having us on so we think that's what he means.

 

[yep]

Lots of young men coming to Europe via Turkey but not stopping in safe Turkey.
Turkey requires young men to do National Service!

 

[Gelsons Dad]

I note that many of these migr...... Refugees have decided to flee war torn Germany and transit war torn Denmark to seek asylum in Sweden.

 

[aguero93:20]

Seeing a lot of pictures of these refugees flooding into Europe. I'm not for one second suggesting that they are ISIS agents but my question is this - how come there are so many men in these pictures on their own? I do not want to believe that ISIS will use this crisis to get their soldiers into Europe but surely these men would be fleeing with their families not without them??? Apparently men make up 75% of the refugees.

If they'd all been women and young children you'd have started a thread about the strain on the health service and education system, while simultaneously complaining about having to pay tax and failing to see the irony.

 

[Damocles]

I think it's foolhardy to think that there are no Islamic fundamentalists coming in with such a widespread migration.

There's no widespread organization called ISIS that has commanders to order in large numbers of troops as some present it, ISIS is more like a brand name that certain long standing Islamic fascist groups move in and out of as it meets their objectives. The actual number of permanent ISIS members seems to be extremely small, less than a couple of hundred or so by some counts.

Islamic fascism isn't ISIS, it's wider problem amongst many small but different groups in the Middle East with daft names like the Tigers of Levant and shite like that.

Some might see it as a way of getting out of a bad situation which they've found themselves in and start a new life. Some might see it as easy access to key targets. The idea however that any border force could possibly find and stop all of these people is a bit ludicrous. It's not like there's an Islamic fascist phonebook. They'll absolutely come through with this stream of migrants. But then they'll come through even if this stream of migrants wasn't happening so I don't see too much of a difference.