skiddypants
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Thank God,two many Peps and all that.
Oh which Pep ruled it out?
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Reina for Bravo?
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Oh which Pep ruled it out?
If we are going to be getting a decent 2nd keeper that fits into Pep's system (and has experence of playing in the PL). The only good options are Hugo Lloris and Kasper Schmeichel, sure in the case in the former he would cost an abolsolute fortune and in the case of the latter he did not exactly leave with happy memories. But due to the qualities they have and the experence they have in the PL, City would be better off buying either of those players rather than take a risk with Reina.
If we are going to be getting a decent 2nd keeper that fits into Pep's system (and has experence of playing in the PL). The only good options are Hugo Lloris and Kasper Schmeichel, sure in the case in the former he would cost an abolsolute fortune and in the case of the latter he did not exactly leave with happy memories. But due to the qualities they have and the experence they have in the PL, City would be better off buying either of those players rather than take a risk with Reina.
I can see where you're coming from with Lloris, although his sweeper keeper abilities are more anticipation than ball skills but Kasper? What are you basing that on mate, all I ever see Kasper do is boot it long and hope for the best.
mosssideblue
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We have both our keepers alreadyIf we are going to be getting a decent 2nd keeper that fits into Pep's system (and has experence of playing in the PL). The only good options are Hugo Lloris and Kasper Schmeichel, sure in the case in the former he would cost an abolsolute fortune and in the case of the latter he did not exactly leave with happy memories. But due to the qualities they have and the experence they have in the PL, City would be better off buying either of those players rather than take a risk with Reina.
I can see where you're coming from with Lloris, although his sweeper keeper abilities are more anticipation than ball skills but Kasper? What are you basing that on mate, all I ever see Kasper do is boot it long and hope for the best.
Firstly because he is actually a rather good GK, secondly because he has experence in playing in the PL and thirdly he is Homegrown. Considering the options for sweeper keepers out there, if obtinaing Lloris is not possible then Kasper (while not perfect) is the next best opition.
Firstly because he is actually a rather good GK, secondly because he has experence in playing in the PL and thirdly he is Homegrown. Considering the options for sweeper keepers out there, if obtinaing Lloris is not possible then Kasper (while not perfect) is the next best opition.
How do any of them things make him fit Pep's system?
twoddlehopper
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Surely Joe Hart, who we already have on the books and is better all round would be the next best option..Firstly because he is actually a rather good GK, secondly because he has experence in playing in the PL and thirdly he is Homegrown. Considering the options for sweeper keepers out there, if obtinaing Lloris is not possible then Kasper (while not perfect) is the next best opition.
eversince 76
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Firstly because he is actually a rather good GK, secondly because he has experence in playing in the PL and thirdly he is Homegrown. Considering the options for sweeper keepers out there, if obtinaing Lloris is not possible then Kasper (while not perfect) is the next best opition.
If it was for the ones you mention, Pep would have kept Hart. Simple as that. But he wants goalkeepers that suit his style i.e. make his team play better. Hart won't do that (unfortunately, but true), nor will Lloris or Schmeichel. Bravo can, but he needs to shore up his shotstopping quality to that what is required by the many City-fans despite that not being the main issue for a disappointed campain last year. If Ederson can is yet to be seen. But let's hope he does.
We have both our keepers already
Ederson maybe (although I would rather wait and see before making a proper judgement on him), but with Bravo (considering his record over the last season oer so) he is simply not good enough to be a 2nd GK for this club. Maybe I am being harsh on him to be fair but when it comes to deciding which players deserve to be in the final squad* you do need to be harsh. Especially if you want to make progress on the field.
*What with the various limitations on both overall numbersthe quotas which are in placed for "Foreign Players"
Surely Joe Hart, who we already have on the books and is better all round would be the next best option..
Would you consider Hart to have better sweeper skills than Schmeichel though? I am just asking for your opinion on that, that is all.
If it was for the ones you mention, Pep would have kept Hart. Simple as that. But he wants goalkeepers that suit his style i.e. make his team play better. Hart won't do that (unfortunately, but true), nor will Lloris or Schmeichel. Bravo can, but he needs to shore up his shotstopping quality to that what is required by the many City-fans despite that not being the main issue for a disappointed campain last year. If Ederson can is yet to be seen. But let's hope he does.
How exactly does Bravo fit into Pep's system more than lets say Lloris? Because the way I see it, you cannot just be the 11th outfield player, you also have to actually be a goalkeeper as well*. This is the issue I have with Bravo and until he addresses the the second task he needs to do as a City GK, I don't see him as someone who should be in this squad over lets say Lloris or Schmeichel.
*In fact I rate this more highly than the first point, because there is no point taking on tasks (outside your main role) when you can even do the basics properly. Especially if you are a goalkeeper.
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How do any of them things make him fit Pep's system?
Well it depends on what you rate more out of a Goalkeeper in Pep's team. If you rate being the 11th outfield player more than saving goals then I suppose Bravo is better than Schmeichel in this reguard (although not Lloris). If on the other hand you rate saving goals more than being the 11th outfield player (which is how look at things) then Schmeichel is better than Bravo.
Long story short, I prefer Schmeichel because he is good at saving goals and better than most at being a sweeper keeper wherehas Bravo is not very good (or at least not good enough) at saving goals and is rather good as a sweeper keeper.
Well it depends on what you rate more out of a Goalkeeper in Pep's team. If you rate being the 11th outfield player more than saving goals then I suppose Bravo is better than Schmeichel in this reguard (although not Lloris). If on the other hand you rate saving goals more than being the 11th outfield player (which is how look at things) then Schmeichel is better than Bravo.
Long story short, I prefer Schmeichel because he is good at saving goals and better than most at being a sweeper keeper wherehas Bravo is not very good (or at least not good enough) at saving goals and is rather good as a sweeper keeper.
I think you'll find it doesn't make the slightest bit of difference what you or I "rate more out of a Goalkeeper in Pep's team". What matters is what Pep thinks is best to suit his system.
I see nothing in Kasper that makes me think he'd suit what Pep wants and you've provided nothing in your posts to suggest he would.
Well it depends on what you rate more out of a Goalkeeper in Pep's team. If you rate being the 11th outfield player more than saving goals then I suppose Bravo is better than Schmeichel in this reguard (although not Lloris). If on the other hand you rate saving goals more than being the 11th outfield player (which is how look at things) then Schmeichel is better than Bravo.
Long story short, I prefer Schmeichel because he is good at saving goals and better than most at being a sweeper keeper wherehas Bravo is not very good (or at least not good enough) at saving goals and is rather good as a sweeper keeper.
Lloris's kicking is embarrassing. It's why he's still at Spurs and why he ended up at Spurs despite being the French no.1 and pretty highly regarded, kicking aside.
Bravo on form is better than both and has proven as such, sadly not in our shirt yet.
I think you'll find it doesn't make the slightest bit of difference what you or I "rate more out of a Goalkeeper in Pep's team".
I am only trying to explain where I am coming from when it came to suggesting those players. Nothing more or nothing less.
What matters is what Pep thinks is best to suit his system
True; but what I am trying to suggest is that when it comes to Goalkeepers, he needs to focus more on short-stopping alongside sweeper tatics when it comes to picking the right players for that role. Especially considering how the PL is more competitive compared to lets say La Liga and the Bundesliga.
I see nothing in Kasper that makes me think he'd suit what Pep wants and you've provided nothing in your posts to suggest he would.
Fair enough. Likewise your points are not unreasonable either.
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ganganvince
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And he has come out as a rag so why would you?I think you'll find it doesn't make the slightest bit of difference what you or I "rate more out of a Goalkeeper in Pep's team". What matters is what Pep thinks is best to suit his system.
I see nothing in Kasper that makes me think he'd suit what Pep wants and you've provided nothing in your posts to suggest he would.
kaz7
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Pep has said his keepers for this season are eddie,juliet and one of the kids
Lloris's kicking is embarrassing. It's why he's still at Spurs and why he ended up at Spurs despite being the French no.1 and pretty highly regarded, kicking aside
I think the players good working relationship with the manager (and each other*) and the fact Levy is a hardarse when it comes to buying players off him are bigger factors to why Lloris remains at Spurs** than his kicking skills alone
*Which explains a lot about how they usurped Arsenal (for now at least) as the best team in North London.
**Why else would Kane be content with earning far less than Costa, Sanchez, Ibra and Kun despite his record over the last few seasons.
Bravo on form is better than both and has proven as such, sadly not in our shirt yet.
Look, he does have his moments (most of all of Chile) without a doubt, the problem is that a Goalkeeper (especially in the PL) needs to be consistant thoughout the season and quite frankly Bravo is has not shown enough consistancy do a good job for City in the PL and the CL. Now this might change next season and maybe he does deserve another chance, but for now that is my view on him as a Goalkeeper.
I am only trying to explain where I am coming from when it came to suggesting those players. Nothing more or nothing less.
True; but what I am trying to suggest is that when it comes to Goalkeepers, he needs to focus more on short-stopping alongside sweeper tatics when it comes to picking the right players for that role. Especially considering how the PL is more competitive compared to lets say La Liga and the Bundesliga.
Fair enough. Likewise your points are not unreasonable either.
Thing is mate, Bravo has proven himself to he a good shot stopper at Sociedad which earned him his move to Barca, he proved it at Barca with a 78% save rate over his two seasons there. He does it consistently well for Chile too.
Granted his shot stopping was well below par at City last season but that doesn't equate to Pep not valuing that attribute in his keepers.
And he has come out as a rag so why would you?
Seriously? Let me tell you something, I have supported City for as long as I can remember, though good times and bad, from the Second Division to urpsurping United as the best club in both Manchester and the North West. And I am p**sed of all the slagging offs from United fans and others (other clubs, UEFA etc.) who accuse us of "financial doping", "buying the title" and in having "Empty Seats" at our ground, so much so that nothing would make me more happier than ending up being more sucessful than any of those clubs (and in many cases putting them right in their place) and doing so in style.
So you have every right to critcise my viewpoints and so forth, just try and avoid calling me something that I have not alright...
I think the players good working relationship with the manager (and each other*) and the fact Levy is a hardarse when it comes to buying players off him are bigger factors to why Lloris remains at Spurs** than his kicking skills alone
*Which explains a lot about how they usurped Arsenal (for now at least) as the best team in North London.
**Why else would Kane be content with earning far less than Costa, Sanchez, Ibra and Kun despite his record over the last few seasons.
Kane is still young, and as of yet has had very few suitors. The media is full of shit but I've never heard anyone linked with Lloris. Kane will undoubtably end up at United at some point. The moment Spurs don't have CL football Kane & Ali will be gone.
But despite the British media's love affair with Spurs, their European form and the national team form of their jewels is far from convincing.
I personally don't think Lloris is very good and his distribution is fucking awful.
Look, he does have his moments (most of all of Chile) without a doubt, the problem is that a Goalkeeper (especially in the PL) needs to be consistant thoughout the season and quite frankly Bravo is has not shown enough consistancy do a good job for City in the PL and the CL. Now this might change next season and maybe he does deserve another chance, but for now that is my view on him as a Goalkeeper.
No doubting Bravo needs to rediscover his form in a City shirt. But Schmeichel is nothing more than an average keeper.
As some have said, there's a reason Bravo has had a much better career than Lloris or Schmeichel, he's just yet to show it at City. One day he may.
But he was a very good keeper, still is, there's nothing to say a replacement won't suffer the same dip in form.
I'm sure Schmeichel's form would be considerably worse without 4 defenders and a def mid sat just outside his box all game.
What gives me hope for Bravo, his failings in England are things he's previously been pretty good at. Mainly shot stopping. That was/is normally his stregnth, along with sweeping.
Fingers crossed we see the real Bravo.
Seriously? Let me tell you something, I have supported City for as long as I can remember, though good times and bad, from the Second Division to urpsurping United as the best club in both Manchester and the North West. And I am p**sed of all the slagging offs from United fans and others (other clubs, UEFA etc.) who accuse us of "financial doping", "buying the title" and in having "Empty Seats" at our ground, so much so that nothing would make me more happier than ending up being more sucessful than any of those clubs (and in many cases putting them right in their place) and doing so in style.
So you have every right to critcise my viewpoints and so forth, just try and avoid calling me something that I have not alright...
Think he's referring to young Red Nose, not yourself!