Religion

But is that not better than religions that advocate violence towards others?
Firstly, is it not better to ignore the lot and follow your conscience?

Secondly, that's no help to two young children whose parents become strict Buddhists and cut all ties and attachments to them.
 
Firstly, is it not better to ignore the lot and follow your conscience?

Secondly, that's no help to two young children whose parents become strict Buddhists and cut all ties and attachments to them.

I agree, that’s why I’m an atheist. But you can be an atheist and say some religions are worse than others. Would you not agree that a religion that advocates non-violence is, in the main, better than one that advocates violence?
 
I agree, that’s why I’m an atheist. But you can be an atheist and say some religions are worse than others. Would you not agree that a religion that advocates non-violence is, in the main, better than one that advocates violence?
Buddhism doesn't advocate non violence to a greater extent than any other religion so the question is pointless. In any case the answer is no, the answer is that stupidity in any religion should be ignored.
 
Buddhism doesn't advocate non violence to a greater extent than any other religion so the question is pointless. In any case the answer is no, the answer is that stupidity in any religion should be ignored.

Well we will have to agree to disagree. For me, as a rule, being non-violent is a better way to be than violent although there are exceptions. Likewise being tolerant towards homosexuality is better than being intolerant. Likewise being a 30 year old virgin is better than being a paedophile. Hence why I say some religions are better or worse than others whether on single issues or taken as a whole.
 
How tolerant of you ;) Having said that, what you quoted does seem to directly contradict one of the basic tenets of 'christianity's' teachings as found in the beatitudes - 'blessed are the merciful for they shall obtain mercy' - kinda suggests that intolerance, hatred, cruelty etc are not the way. Maybe this has something to do with how it was interpreted/rewritten/used by the romans.to such an extent that the original meaning came to hidden at best, warped at worst. In essence it speaks of the interconnectedness of all beings - is that so different from attempts to find a unified field theory. In other words is it possible that the original message was one of Unity and Peace but this message has been twisted to serve a purpose of division and war? ps that morality stuff does seem a bit nuts to say the least...

are you really trying to say the bible(as that where all Christianities teachings come from) original teachings were unity and peace?? you cannot be serious

Deuteronomy
God really lays down the law in Deuteronomy. And he insists that you follow it, exactly as written without adding to or subtracting from it. The law applies to everyone for all time. No excuses. (See 28:15-68 for a list of things God will do to you if you refuse to obey.)

Of course the first thing you'll have to do is kill people. Lots and lots of people.

Revelation
Everything in Revelation should probably be highlighted, because it's all violent, cruel, or absurd in one way or another. But that would make it too hard to read, and it's hard enough as it is.
Revelation has my vote for the worst book in the Bible. And since the Bible, Quran, and the Book of Mormon are the three worst books ever written, that's saying something.
 
are you really trying to say the bible(as that where all Christianities teachings come from) original teachings were unity and peace?? you cannot be serious

Deuteronomy
God really lays down the law in Deuteronomy. And he insists that you follow it, exactly as written without adding to or subtracting from it. The law applies to everyone for all time. No excuses. (See 28:15-68 for a list of things God will do to you if you refuse to obey.)

Of course the first thing you'll have to do is kill people. Lots and lots of people.

Revelation
Everything in Revelation should probably be highlighted, because it's all violent, cruel, or absurd in one way or another. But that would make it too hard to read, and it's hard enough as it is.
Revelation has my vote for the worst book in the Bible. And since the Bible, Quran, and the Book of Mormon are the three worst books ever written, that's saying something.
I would say that that the original message of Jesus was one of peace and unity, yes. That is to say that there is a state of peace beyond that which can be known by the conflicted mind in which one can experience a felt sense of unity. However, that is not to say that this is the message that is necessarily conveyed through the bible. But then again there is an easy argument to make that states that those who brought together the bible 'as is' today had a pretty heavy investment in war - so would not want for christianity's message to be seen as one of peace. Done quite a good job of this in fairness - at least on an outer, superficial level...and if that's as far as people want to look, then that's the only message they will receive.
 
Is it that surprising that the quotes clash with the Beatitudes?
The quotes made are Old Testament quotes, with Exodus/Deuteronomy thought to be from around 500 BC, not 1st century AD. 15th century morals were rather different from 21st century morals.

From recollection, there isn't a lot of compassion in the Old Testament, and the earliest books dictate/prophecy how rather than why (Deuteronomy is pretty much a video nasty for the time).
Almost as if the New message was meant to be different from the Old message? So, yes in that way it's not such a surprise that they clash. It does amuse me that there is a way of thinking that effectively says that ' God sent his only son' to get beaten, imprisoned and crucified just so as to deliver the same message. Why bother? Unless God's a bit dense.

As for compassion, I do find this within the likes of the New testament, though not so much in 'the church.' Perhaps folk have different notions as to what compassion is. For me
there is a hint in its etymology - 'com' - with; 'passio' - suffering'. The ability to be with suffering. Again, for me, I find suffering to basically be a state of being in which I am at war with myself. In this way I don't understand how advocating war can help bring this to an end (so I don't see the Old Testament as speaking of a compassionate God) - whereas someone who is compassionate is someone who can help one come to be free of the binds and 'wounds' of inner war, so coming to know a deeper, felt sense of harmony and unity. This is truly a blessing. Arguing about the rights and wrongs of theology then seems like a mere distraction.

Beyond that...

Om mani padme hum ;)
 
All religion IMO is a -



Although I could be tempted to join the church of Magicpole, providing i'm blessed with Bells holy water and communion tattie scones : )



Bells? Bells? Are you fucking mental?

Malts my friend, blessed with Malts.

Fucking Bells..

We would use that to clean the anal probes.
 
I would say that that the original message of Jesus was one of peace and unity, yes. That is to say that there is a state of peace beyond that which can be known by the conflicted mind in which one can experience a felt sense of unity. However, that is not to say that this is the message that is necessarily conveyed through the bible. But then again there is an easy argument to make that states that those who brought together the bible 'as is' today had a pretty heavy investment in war - so would not want for christianity's message to be seen as one of peace. Done quite a good job of this in fairness - at least on an outer, superficial level...and if that's as far as people want to look, then that's the only message they will receive.

cherry pick to serve your purpose you mean, i'm afraid it doesn't work like that

here is just a few from matthews gospel

  • Jesus strongly approved of the law and the prophets. He had no objection to the cruelties of the Old Testament and said that its laws will be binding forever. 5:17

  • To avoid sin, Jesus told his followers to cut off their hands and pluck out their eyes. This advice was given immediately after he said that anyone who looks with lust at a women commits adultery. 5:29, 18:8

  • He said that most people are going to hell. 7:13-14
Abandon your wife and children for Jesus and he'll give your a big reward. 19:29

Jesus condemns entire cities to dreadful deaths and to the eternal torment of hell because they didn't care for his preaching. 11:20-24
 

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