NorCalBlue
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I can buy the rest of your post, but this is just nonsense - if you're so clever and logical, explain where my new bike came from when I was 10. It wasn't there when I went to bed.
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Religion
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'Divine' is just a word. Perhaps an attempt to put a label on that experience which actually might best be described as 'self revelatory truth.' But really
even that description is a piss poor substitution for the the experience of 'what is.' So, if yo want to keep this conversation in the realm of 'which belief
is right, which is wrong' then....well this might seem like fun for a while but ultimately it's just another distraction.
you like a tangent don't you
you know what i'm talking about when i say divine seeing as this is a thread on religion , it is just a word but its the one i'm using
you answered yes to a belief in a divine being, did you not?
and if i can pick through your meanderings, it is because of a feeling you had that took you from a dark place to a good place
my question is how do you know that it is from a divine being or a god for that matter
and for clarity, at no point will i say one belief is any more valid than another, that's not a debate i would ever get into as it is not relevant
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do you realise that the way you write is actually quite abusive?you like a tangent don't you
you know what i'm talking about when i say divine seeing as this is a thread on religion , it is just a word but its the one i'm using
you answered yes to a belief in a divine being, did you not?
and if i can pick through your meanderings, it is because of a feeling you had that took you from a dark place to a good place
my question is how do you know that it is from a divine being or a god for that matter
and for clarity, at no point will i say one belief is any more valid than another, that's not a debate i would ever get into as it is not relevant
do you realise that the way you write is actually quite abusive?
why do you think that? they are just questions
point out to me where the abuse is please or is just another attempt at obfuscation
and if you think the way i write is abusive i can think of some posters you wouldn't want to communicate with believe me
i'll try again
how do you know the feeling you had came from a god?
yep
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ok we have established you think there is a divine being
my next question is how do you it is divine?
The same way you know you love someone. There was a time when you did not know the partner you love. There was a time when you knew them but did not love them and then one day you knew you loved them.
Regarding the Divine, perhaps Bachman Turner Overdrive should have written," You ain't EXPERIENCED nothing yet!" The double negative is forgiven.
Trevor Morley's Tache
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Ancient religion in general is based a collection of myths and legends which have been manipulated over the years to be used as tools to make people subservient, changing the narrative to suit the situation.
Modern religions are no different, but the ancient myths and legends have been replaced with modern equivalents, and rather than making people subservient, they are used to manipulate people into either parting with their money, or behaving a certain way.
Religious leaders will always profess some sort of divine power over people. This is always open to abuse, and is the main reason why we have so many issues with the Catholic Church in this country.
Modern religions are no different, but the ancient myths and legends have been replaced with modern equivalents, and rather than making people subservient, they are used to manipulate people into either parting with their money, or behaving a certain way.
Religious leaders will always profess some sort of divine power over people. This is always open to abuse, and is the main reason why we have so many issues with the Catholic Church in this country.
The same way you know you love someone. There was a time when you did not know the partner you love. There was a time when you knew them but did not love them and then one day you knew you loved them.
Regarding the Divine, perhaps Bachman Turner Overdrive should have written," You ain't EXPERIENCED nothing yet!" The double negative is forgiven.
what's that got to do with it, how does that correlate to a god?
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Belief starts at the point where knowledge ends.
I don't need a God, I even don't know what that would be. Nobody ever has been able to explain to me.
Humans at all times have asked questions about phenomenons they don't understand, as @Psychedelic Casual has pointed out.
As they didn't have an answer, they have been assuming a higher power. One God, or several.
That has worked well and is quite easy, too.
Nowadays, we can explain most phenomenons quite well without any God. I can.
We know about DNA, about continental drift, climate history, sub-atomic particles and evolution of the universe.
Some points are still unsolved, and that's perfect. Our brain is limited.
All that is going on in our brain. Individually.
Our brain is part of human evolution. Only in the last years we have started to learn about fundamental functions of brain physiology.
Well, more than 99% of humans don't, I assume. It's not being taught at school, not even at regular universities.
Religion only exists in your head.
Belief is important in a man's life. Hope, love, appreciation, fairness are basics of a "good life".
Those basics have developed during human evolution, living in clans of about 50 individuals. That's what we are able to manage. Not more.
That's why we just carry on every day although we know exactly that on the big scale the planet is fucked by our way of life as well as many many humans in other parts of the world. We can see it on youtube whenever we want.
But we don't care, we don't want to. It's outside our small life, our "clan".
Thinking about complex situations takes a lot of energy and our system has a wonderful solution: we ignore.
If you think about it a bit closer, you will find that behaviour nearly everywhere in daily life.
Bottom line it's quite easy:
you can believe in some God or not. It's an individual choice, as it goes on in your own head.
(If only you were not being born into religion: christians, muslims, jews.
They don't even have a choice. It's tradition by force. And not easy to get out at all. Not very peaceful, I think.
If any human could decide about his religion whenever he/she wants, what would be left after 2 generations?)
Believing in God or not doesn't make you good or bad.
That's a different story.
Being an arshole in life is irrespective of nationality, colour, gender, religion, age and yes, even fanbase. CTID.
I don't need a God, I even don't know what that would be. Nobody ever has been able to explain to me.
Humans at all times have asked questions about phenomenons they don't understand, as @Psychedelic Casual has pointed out.
As they didn't have an answer, they have been assuming a higher power. One God, or several.
That has worked well and is quite easy, too.
Nowadays, we can explain most phenomenons quite well without any God. I can.
We know about DNA, about continental drift, climate history, sub-atomic particles and evolution of the universe.
Some points are still unsolved, and that's perfect. Our brain is limited.
All that is going on in our brain. Individually.
Our brain is part of human evolution. Only in the last years we have started to learn about fundamental functions of brain physiology.
Well, more than 99% of humans don't, I assume. It's not being taught at school, not even at regular universities.
Religion only exists in your head.
Belief is important in a man's life. Hope, love, appreciation, fairness are basics of a "good life".
Those basics have developed during human evolution, living in clans of about 50 individuals. That's what we are able to manage. Not more.
That's why we just carry on every day although we know exactly that on the big scale the planet is fucked by our way of life as well as many many humans in other parts of the world. We can see it on youtube whenever we want.
But we don't care, we don't want to. It's outside our small life, our "clan".
Thinking about complex situations takes a lot of energy and our system has a wonderful solution: we ignore.
If you think about it a bit closer, you will find that behaviour nearly everywhere in daily life.
Bottom line it's quite easy:
you can believe in some God or not. It's an individual choice, as it goes on in your own head.
(If only you were not being born into religion: christians, muslims, jews.
They don't even have a choice. It's tradition by force. And not easy to get out at all. Not very peaceful, I think.
If any human could decide about his religion whenever he/she wants, what would be left after 2 generations?)
Believing in God or not doesn't make you good or bad.
That's a different story.
Being an arshole in life is irrespective of nationality, colour, gender, religion, age and yes, even fanbase. CTID.
Trevor Morley's Tache
Well-Known Member
Pretty much sums it up.Belief starts at the point where knowledge ends.
I don't need a God, I even don't know what that would be. Nobody ever has been able to explain to me.
Humans at all times have asked questions about phenomenons they don't understand, as @Psychedelic Casual has pointed out.
As they didn't have an answer, they have been assuming a higher power. One God, or several.
That has worked well and is quite easy, too.
Nowadays, we can explain most phenomenons quite well without any God. I can.
We know about DNA, about continental drift, climate history, sub-atomic particles and evolution of the universe.
Some points are still unsolved, and that's perfect. Our brain is limited.
All that is going on in our brain. Individually.
Our brain is part of human evolution. Only in the last years we have started to learn about fundamental functions of brain physiology.
Well, more than 99% of humans don't, I assume. It's not being taught at school, not even at regular universities.
Religion only exists in your head.
Belief is important in a man's life. Hope, love, appreciation, fairness are basics of a "good life".
Those basics have developed during human evolution, living in clans of about 50 individuals. That's what we are able to manage. Not more.
That's why we just carry on every day although we know exactly that on the big scale the planet is fucked by our way of life as well as many many humans in other parts of the world. We can see it on youtube whenever we want.
But we don't care, we don't want to. It's outside our small life, our "clan".
Thinking about complex situations takes a lot of energy and our system has a wonderful solution: we ignore.
If you think about it a bit closer, you will find that behaviour nearly everywhere in daily life.
Bottom line it's quite easy:
you can believe in some God or not. It's an individual choice, as it goes on in your own head.
(If only you were not being born into religion: christians, muslims, jews.
They don't even have a choice. It's tradition by force. And not easy to get out at all. Not very peaceful, I think.
If any human could decide about his religion whenever he/she wants, what would be left after 2 generations?)
Believing in God or not doesn't make you good or bad.
That's a different story.
Being an arshole in life is irrespective of nationality, colour, gender, religion, age and yes, even fanbase. CTID.
If you take a young child and teach them the fundamentals of Biology/Physics/Chemistry, then ask them to put that all to one side and tell them the universe is all controlled by an unseen higher power, and the instruction manual is in a 2000 year old story book, they would look at you like you had 2 heads.
blueish swede
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I can buy the rest of your post, but this is just nonsense - if you're so clever and logical, explain where my new bike came from when I was 10. It wasn't there when I went to bed.
The Christmas goat!