Religion

[BimboBob]

Go on - tell me which organisation I am part of? Which organisational doctrine do I strictly follow?

So you are saying that you don't follow or are a part of an organised religion? Interesting. Where did you get your beliefs from?

 

[arfurclue]

There we agree. Don't defend religion with the benefits of meditation so.

Ok - so what,if any, category would you place meditation in? And maybe there is just a sitting meditation which is about 'remembering' stillness. Then
from this stillness one might physically move - moving meditation perhaps...where the movement is a way to dissolve the 'blocks'/resistance that get in the
way of a deeper harmony of stillness and movement. Take this idea to the relationship of silence and sound (where some thoughts might be found to be noisier than others)
and between these two, you have the essence of what I find meditation/spirituality/art to be. Pretty simple really?

 

[arfurclue]

So you are saying that you don't follow or are a part of an organised religion? Interesting. Where did you get your beliefs from?

No, I am not. But from a certain perspective it can look like different traditions have a shared essence - which might then be watered down, twisted, turned into a dogma that most folk on here would seemingly call religion. The shared essence I enjoy, the trying to fit into any one dogma is a bit of a nightmare frankly. If I study teachings quite often it might be to just find where I have unconscious conditioning that doesn't much serve any more and so I can let go of this. Other times it might be 'ah ok this feels like a pretty good description of what i experience through practice so is kind of useful. But maybe what I enjoy most are those when I can learn through everyday - where, in sharing a moment of connection with someone, then a little creative spark brings up ideas that I may not have been aware of before (kind of like where a conversation has a flow and each follows it as best they can). But that's not always so easy to stay with.

 

[aguero93:20]

Ok - so what,if any, category would you place meditation in? And maybe there is just a sitting meditation which is about 'remembering' stillness. Then
from this stillness one might physically move - moving meditation perhaps...where the movement is a way to dissolve the 'blocks'/resistance that get in the
way of a deeper harmony of stillness and movement. Take this idea to the relationship of silence and sound (where some thoughts might be found to be noisier than others)
and between these two, you have the essence of what I find meditation/spirituality/art to be. Pretty simple really?

You're not putting the burden of proof on me with this one. What does meditation have to do with religion?

 

[arfurclue]

So you're advocating an attachment? Different kinds of love?

We might use these words differently but some might of attachment, detachment, non-attachment and each might have its own version of 'Love.'
For me martial arts started a process of bringing to awareness shedloads of attachments* and began to find that it was the only the Love of non-attachment
that began to free me from cycles of attachment**/detachment - maybe might say one version of this is 'eat loads of food/go on a strict diet/be able to enjoy food
in a balanced, healthy way.

So, I don't know if you have noticed but writing on this thread has brought up attachments too (as does stuff like going to spanish school, living abroad etc) and sometimes
I fall over these, or stumble or struggle or write not-so-coherently. So some could suggest that I shouldn't have written here but maybe it is also a bit like the process of martial arts - sometimes you have to fall over a few times in order to learn to be more balanced.

*this attachment might be said to be linked to the an egoic specialness of needing to be better that eventually has to be let go of
**I appreciate that this might be different from how you would use this term.

 

[arfurclue]

You're not putting the burden of proof on me with this one. What does meditation have to do with religion?

Some taoists might use the word 'religion' in a different way from some churches and they use meditative practices. And some 'religious poets' might be said to use meditation as a way to receive inspiration. Whirling dervishes use dance as meditation as a sufi practice. Maybe they use the word religion in a different way than you?

 

[arfurclue]

I am in the political process but feel disenfranchised, disempowered...someone comes along and is promising to make me feel stronger if i give him my vote..yes, yes Let's go for this
I have left the political process, not going to vote...am 'above' it and/or disillusioned...doesn't really change anything
I feel empowered...I can be in the political process but not 'of it'...I may vote, I may not but if I do it'll be for a candidate that best reflects the Truth - probably less likely to be swayed by just spin or even hate...

 

[Magicpole]

If you make it down this far I'll stand the first 2 and after that it's give and receive.

I will take that. Let’s face it, cunts that have known you your entire life haven’t seen you break a tenner, apart from fines for disturbing the peace.

I feel honoured. And if I do come over I will definitely take you up on that. How long a drive from Dublin? Or, train, bus, if you were anywhere near a good guy you would pick us up you selfish lazy ****.

Some people!

 

[ballinio]

Biggest pile of garbage known to man , wish it had never been invented

 

[aguero93:20]

I will take that. Let’s face it, cunts that have known you your entire life haven’t seen you break a tenner, apart from fines for disturbing the peace.

I feel honoured. And if I do come over I will definitely take you up on that. How long a drive from Dublin? Or, train, bus, if you were anywhere near a good guy you would pick us up you selfish lazy ****.

Some people!

5 hour drive from Dublin on a bad day but if you get the train I'll pick you up in Killarney or Tralee. Preferably Tralee.

 

[yep]

So you do believe in santa then.

I have done a truth table and computer says,"No."

 

[Magicpole]

5 hour drive from Dublin on a bad day but if you get the train I'll pick you up in Killarney or Tralee. Preferably Tralee.

Cheapskate ****. Ok, beggars and all that.

PS. Wherever I go is never a bad day.

Ask anybody.

 

[ancoats]

religion should not be preached to kids in schools and people should find religion in there own way and time and not brainwashed from a early age, why when you don't know anything about life never mind jesus or GOD should a 4 year old be told and preached to ????

religion kills more people on this planet than anything else, so how can we have peace on earth if people have to defend something that nobody can claim to be true and if there is a GOD what is he doing if he lets people die by evil dictators killing in his name

 

[aguero93:20]

Cheapskate ****. Ok, beggars and all that.

PS. Wherever I go is never a bad day.

Ask anybody.

I'm not driving to Dublin to pick you up you ****. Fly into Farranfore, Cork or Shannon and I'll pick you up.

 

[arfurclue]

religion should not be preached to kids in schools and people should find religion in there own way and time and not brainwashed from a early age, why when you don't know anything about life never mind jesus or GOD should a 4 year old be told and preached to ????

religion kills more people on this planet than anything else, so how can we have peace on earth if people have to defend something that nobody can claim to be true and if there is a GOD what is he doing if he lets people die by evil dictators killing in his name

How would you choose what and how children should be taught in schools?
Are you saying that religion is the cause of killing or a vehicle for it - and do you have proof for it?
Is there a difference for you between a just intellectual, theoretical conversation about art and a conversation which engages in the practices
and transformational processes of art? How might this influence a child's education - for example do we teach them only a way of intellectual thought
or maybe look to introduce what might be called truly rational thought?

 

[ancoats]

How would you choose what and how children should be taught in schools?
Are you saying that religion is the cause of killing or a vehicle for it - and do you have proof for it?
Is there a difference for you between a just intellectual, theoretical conversation about art and a conversation which engages in the practices
and transformational processes of art? How might this influence a child's education - for example do we teach them only a way of intellectual thought
or maybe look to introduce what might be called truly rational thought?

how about your kids taught about life and loving each other and respect with reading and maths and art and modern day skills anything other than religion

(Are you saying that religion is the cause of killing or a vehicle for it) when people stand and shout there Gods name and then blow themselves up am pretty sure that is proof enough and kill or ethnic cleansing is also proof it happens, ( what might be called truly rational thought) brainwashing at at young age is not education its cruel

Definition of ethnic cleansing. : the expulsion, imprisonment, or killing of an ethnicminority by a dominant majority in order to achieve ethnic homogeneity. See ethnic cleansing defined for English-language learners

 

[BimboBob]

I'm not driving to Dublin to pick you up you ****. Fly into Farranfore, Cork or Shannon and I'll pick you up.

Is this an open offer? Could do with a small holiday, it's been a few weeks.

 

[dronefromsector7G]

Is this an open offer? Could do with a small holiday, it's been a few weeks.

Where did you go a few weeks ago Bimbo?

 

[arfurclue]

"A flood of Love arising that may bring with it an awareness of chaos that was once denied. A chaos that may unbalance those that have invested in the intellect as a way of life. Might struggle for a while yet then fall over - the question being; will they drown or learn to swim? Maybe then this could be a problem for the intellectualists, perhaps they could come together and brainstorm - find a way to stop this rising flood of Love. But how? shhhh don’t suggest this but what if it is the intellect that actually stops a being from being able to see this kind(ness) of Love? What? How do you fight this kind of enemy if you can never see where it is in each moment? How about run around, keeping busy? That’s a good idea. Though one has to be vigilant - never let yourself relax enough to loose the grip of the intellectual mind because then Love might find you there. And you might like it. Might even be tempted to switch sides. BUT THEN YOU WOULD BE A TRAITOR !!! Shame on you, we will get the pitchforks out. So, best not relax - make extra effort to do this for as much of your life as you can. And if you meet anyone that even vaguely suggests true relaxation, an enjoyment of Art or the possibility of a Loving God, then make you sure that at best you attack them, at worst you will turn away. That’ll work just fine, promise. Then you too can say that you loyally served the intellect. And when the flood comes, don’t worry about that - we will think, think, think and surely figure out a way. Just that, for the moment, we are not quite sure what that way could be."

Religion should be a way of strict intellectual indoctrination, using fear and threats of damnation to back it up? Probably don't agree with that...

 

[arfurclue]

how about your kids taught about life and loving each other and respect with reading and maths and art and modern day skills anything other than religion

(Are you saying that religion is the cause of killing or a vehicle for it) when people stand and shout there Gods name and then blow themselves up am pretty sure that is proof enough and kill or ethnic cleansing is also proof it happens, ( what might be called truly rational thought) brainwashing at at young age is not education its cruel

Definition of ethnic cleansing. : the expulsion, imprisonment, or killing of an ethnicminority by a dominant majority in order to achieve ethnic homogeneity. See ethnic cleansing defined for English-language learners

How about the possibility that it is the notion of the intellect as god/master that might best be brought into question here - along with its ways of forced, intellectual indoctrination. It doesn't much care whether you choose science or religion - attacking each other according to who/what is believed to be right/wrong - so long as you remain worshipping it. and don't question its ways. Maybe one thing both sciences and religions that follow this way have in common, is that they can both debate/hypothesise/deny/argue about the possible existence of a kind, Loving God but neither can bring you to a state of actually knowing this for oneself, so it loses its value for both fields. But what about if the intellectual indoctrination was let go of in both science and religion - that the true essence of both may dance together in a classroom, singing songs of Love and freedom to teach the children, showing them the beautiful language of numbers, how pen and pencils might paint kind, joyous stories to share together...and who knows...even more?