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I like this, enjoy
Great tune. Thanks. I like how the lyrics speak about the sound of silence and yet, for me, it feels like it is the sound that lulls one into silence . Its beauty begins to melt the tension within...letting go of noise and opening to more harmonious sound...through this, a little deeper into silence.
A t least...this is how I, at times, enjoy it. Others are free to be with it as they will :)
Bigga
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I love the “many” who could be relied on to pop up to validate an idea or proposition.
One of Ancient Aliens most used terms.
“Many believe.... that this load of shite I’m going to waste oxygen discussing actually fucking happened”
Hail the many, for they possess the secrets of truth itself. :)
Noted that the only thing you picked up upon was "many" as a way of a deflecting point.
Here's a quoted text that points out this more accurately, than I...
It is known that the text of the Qur’an was both recited from memory, during the time it was revealed, by the Prophet and the believers who surrounded him, and written down by designated scribes among his followers. This process lasted for roughly twenty-three years during which many unofficial copies were made. An official copy was made within one year after the Prophet’s death at the instruction of Caliph Abu Bakr.
But, anyway, let's have a quick gander at your post...
As science evolved, see what I did there? Anyway, as scientific knowledge expanded religion retreated. But being religion, and fond of a few bob, not to mention the power, they adapted to it. Owned it. When evolution became an accepted fact, they went from total opposition, to saying it was all gods plan.
There are a few religions that like a bit of money in their coffers, which is just as well as I'm not remotely religious. However, Religion is man made and is subject to flawed individuals that like a bit of coin and power. But that's a Human construct, is it not...?? Your logic is deeply flawed here.
"...as scientific knowledge expanded religion retreated..." is something I'd agree with. But, people seem to think there should be one or the other.
Let's look at this phrase "... evolution became accepted fact..." would mean you need to define "accepted fact". Amongst scientists? Amongst everyone? What do you mean...?
When Galileo found out the truth of our planetary situation wasn’t as god had claimed, he was threatened with death, recanted his claim and spent the remainder of his life under house arrest.
Not sure where to start here.
First of all, Galileo's 'discovery was already mooted by a Greek philosopher before him, so it was nothing new. His trial by church was led by closed minded individuals who may as well be the Sheriff Arpaios of the world, back then!
Secondly, my poor knowledge on the subject tells me Galileo never disavowed his faith and that the argument was not 'science vs religion' as you intimate, but about the interpretation of the Good Book he studied from.
Similar with the earth being flat. They took a sidestep then claimed it was all gods work. Whilst never explaining why a book written by god could get all the things he created so wrong.
Not sure about how this is aimed, but let me just say this again, the Books of the Qu'ran and Bible weren't written for years and it's all down to interpretation and knowledge.
How many people flew planes, back then? But, 1% of people, if you're lucky, actually left their villages/ districts, never mind their countries!
The Big Bang is another top example. They reluctantly agree this is the best explanation but again point to, well what started it. What caused it? Of course, enter stage right God.
A major point of contention is their oft quoted, how can something come from nothing, when not realising that their concept of nothing is not the same as a scientific explanation. Nothing is actually something. Dark matter that cannot be seen. For example.
So, they claim nothing needs something to create something, in steps god again all flowing beard and pointy fingers.
One thing they overlook is if God was behind the Big Bang, then who created god? Where did he come from. And, he’s always masculine. Funny that. But I digress. If nothing can come if nothing, the same rationale must be applied to god.
They don’t like that. Not at all. They conveniently forget all the errors and try to claim everything. The God of the gaps. As the gaps get solved they tap dance and fall back to god in some other guise. If a book claims to be perfect and it’s riddled with bullshit then it’s not perfect. That doesn’t seem to bother them though.
Well, this is main meat of your argument about "they".
There is IN FACT an equal amount of knowledge in the unanswered questions about science and a Higher existence, as in when you get to a certain level, there is always another question that leads to another level. Who is this? What is that? How did...? So, who did...?
There are merely no answers beyond a knowledge of here and now.
Then you have the right cunts. Evangelicals, fundamentalists of every hue, who stuck to the word as truth. Adam and Eve, six thousand year old universe and miraculous shenanigans galore.
We then get the spiritual, cosmic knowing universe mob. They know established religions are bolloks but need a deeper meaning and something to rabbit on about stoned at party’s. Or on trips to India.
Having answered some of this in previous posts, let me move on.
Is there anything wrong with searching for "deeper meaning"? That's like saying why do scientists keeping asking questions?!
There is definitely a human need to answer questions in a supernatural way. We fucking love a god to fall in behind. To point to to explain stuff. Thousands of different and conflicting theirues and beliefs of what he wants. Who he us and most importantly, who his chosen are. We are always blessed with the astonishing good fortune of being born at the right time, in the right place and where the right true god resides. What a stroke of luck.
In a world where billions exist, every one of them may have a question to ask. If you win a million, you might ask 'Wow, why me!?'. If you come off worse in an accident or lose someone close to you, you may ask "Why me?!'. You can live with the consequences of Life or you ask questions.
We call it 'Human Nature' as there are NO scientific reasoning as to why we question things.
Only fly here is everyone, in every part of the world, feels they are the ones. They don’t see a problem that this mind set is omnipresent. It’s just a case of, everybody else us damned to a death of eternal torment, because they are wrong.
Handy.
Guess what? You're not going to like this answer, but it's down to 'interpretation'. You may have an answer of '100', but there are people other than you that have the same answer, but the only question is how they arrived there.
They are atheists in relation to every other god as much as I am. They are just blessed with the joy of having been lucky to be born into the right one. Never critically looking at that and asking, what are the odds?
No idea what you're talking about...
Well, science can’t explain everything and in relation to the Big Bang, may never find out what caused it. However, that should never mean a snake oil salesman, a guru or a book written by men who didn’t know were thecsun went at night can step in a claim to know things they couldn’t.
Agreed.
God was always there, is just too fucking convenient, for anybody whose critical faculties are allowed to function.
God was never shy about showing his power in the books. Floods, smiting galore, taking sides, speaking to certain dudes. But, get him to write down his wonderous creation and he makes a total **** of it that, and get this coincidence, completely reflected what people thought at the time. That was a mistake!
Still nothing jarring god botherers? No? You don’t see a problem there? It’s there, making up a tapestry of excuses doesn’t hide the huge hole in credibility of that mindset.
So, what happens with your 'takedown' when someone like me thinks actually when these 'great stories' happen, there's lots of embellishment and substitutions for forgotten names and situations that mushroom out of hand? And when it's finally recorded it looks nothing like the event that first happened?
There is no god. No divine force with intelligence and influence. No supernatural shit. No angels or devils. No heaven or hell. Just a truly wonderous universe that we are a part of. That dying stars created the elements that make up every atom in your body. That you and I are made of stardust. Why is that not beautiful enough? Mind blowing enough?
... In your opinion and yes, the last two sentences I agree with, but doesn't discount Intelligent design for the the quoted post.
And no star has ever instructed us to hate peoples who are different. To kill them. To keep other humans as slaves. To keep women as chatells. To burn us for eternity if we stop loving them.
Guess what word I'm going use here...
And the main thing. They are real. You can see them. There’s probably a person made out of one sitting beside you right now. How fucking amazing is that?
I think quite a bit.
I have no idea what this round off is supposed to point out, but I'm sure you mean well.
So who's this "they" as you had the temerity to pick up on "many" from my post?!!
Two Gun Bob
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As this thread hurtles toward centurion status let us pause a while to contemplate the intricacies of debate with some more music.Some quality posters contributing toward a highly sensitive subject matter and I have to congratulate on the way this thread has progressed.A credit to our Moons surface and feel sure moderation will content themselves that they have had little to interject whilst feeling a sense of achievement in the direction off topic is going.It would appear we band of brothers have finally come of age.Difficult for music choice as it's important to remain sensitive to the followers of the one true god and our heathen horde.Instead of chastising maybe we should be thankful of the fine contribution Arfur has made.An incredible mindset swimming against a sea of inquisitive nonchalance.Moderation potential we will have to wait and see.
Will you FollowArfur#
Will you FollowArfur#
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As this thread hurtles toward centurion status let us pause a while to contemplate the intricacies of debate with some more music.Some quality posters contributing toward a highly sensitive subject matter and I have to congratulate on the way this thread has progressed.A credit to our Moons surface and feel sure moderation will content themselves that they have had little to interject whilst feeling a sense of achievement in the direction off topic has recently progressed.It would appear we band of brothers have finally come of age.Difficult for music choice as it's important to remain sensitive to the followers of the one true god and also the heathen horde among us.Instead of chastising maybe we should be thankful of the fine contribution Arfur has made.An incredible mindset swimming against a sea of inquisitive nonchalance.Moderation potential we will have to wait and see.
Will you FollowArfur#
Thanks. But 'FollowArfur#?' Erm, I'm not sur.... ahhh, ok. arfursays 'Always tell your mummy
before you go off somewhere.' No, wait...that was Charly. Far out. Try again. arfursays 'always return to rigid theories of truth in your head as if these were the holy grail - especially if you find yourself beginning to really enjoy life.'
Anyhow here's a nice, religious song for people to meditate to if they choose on this holy day...
bluethrunthru
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saw reference to this on the news earlier - should be an interesting watch in the NW Inside out programme tomorrow. The subject kind of sticks in my craw because I don't believe a church should have to proclaim itself open to all with no regard to their colour or sexual orientation. I was brought up to believe that God welcomed everyone into church but I am afraid religion is always about one human being forcing their opinions on others.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-england-
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-england-
This is an opinion that I have to believe? Or am I free to choose otherwise?saw reference to this on the news earlier - should be an interesting watch in the NW Inside out programme tomorrow. The subject kind of sticks in my craw because I don't believe a church should have to proclaim itself open to all with no regard to their colour or sexual orientation. I was brought up to believe that God welcomed everyone into church but I am afraid religion is always about one human being forcing their opinions on others.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-england-
ps force is an interesting question - by itself it feels like it gets in the way of a deeper power that comes with rhythm and timing?This is an opinion that I have to believe? Or am I free to choose otherwise?
Bigga
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saw reference to this on the news earlier - should be an interesting watch in the NW Inside out programme tomorrow. The subject kind of sticks in my craw because I don't believe a church should have to proclaim itself open to all with no regard to their colour or sexual orientation. I was brought up to believe that God welcomed everyone into church but I am afraid religion is always about one human being forcing their opinions on others.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-england-
Interesting choice of word 'force', when it comes to religion and / or belief.
There are no doubts 'force' comes into play in some instances, however, there are many that choose to believe another Human Being's craft of words and persuasion as their way of progressing in a difficult existence. Some people simply don't want think about where they figure in the Wheel of Life, Time and Existence.
Are most people 'Sheep'?
For almost every aspect of existence, yes, in my opinion.
Magicpole
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Noted that the only thing you picked up upon was "many" as a way of a deflecting point.
Here's a quoted text that points out this more accurately, than I...
But, anyway, let's have a quick gander at your post...
There are a few religions that like a bit of money in their coffers, which is just as well as I'm not remotely religious. However, Religion is man made and is subject to flawed individuals that like a bit of coin and power. But that's a Human construct, is it not...?? Your logic is deeply flawed here.
"...as scientific knowledge expanded religion retreated..." is something I'd agree with. But, people seem to think there should be one or the other.
Let's look at this phrase "... evolution became accepted fact..." would mean you need to define "accepted fact". Amongst scientists? Amongst everyone? What do you mean...?
Not sure where to start here.
First of all, Galileo's 'discovery was already mooted by a Greek philosopher before him, so it was nothing new. His trial by church was led by closed minded individuals who may as well be the Sheriff Arpaios of the world, back then!
Secondly, my poor knowledge on the subject tells me Galileo never disavowed his faith and that the argument was not 'science vs religion' as you intimate, but about the interpretation of the Good Book he studied from.
Not sure about how this is aimed, but let me just say this again, the Books of the Qu'ran and Bible weren't written for years and it's all down to interpretation and knowledge.
How many people flew planes, back then? But, 1% of people, if you're lucky, actually left their villages/ districts, never mind their countries!
Well, this is main meat of your argument about "they".
There is IN FACT an equal amount of knowledge in the unanswered questions about science and a Higher existence, as in when you get to a certain level, there is always another question that leads to another level. Who is this? What is that? How did...? So, who did...?
There are merely no answers beyond a knowledge of here and now.
Having answered some of this in previous posts, let me move on.
Is there anything wrong with searching for "deeper meaning"? That's like saying why do scientists keeping asking questions?!
In a world where billions exist, every one of them may have a question to ask. If you win a million, you might ask 'Wow, why me!?'. If you come off worse in an accident or lose someone close to you, you may ask "Why me?!'. You can live with the consequences of Life or you ask questions.
We call it 'Human Nature' as there are NO scientific reasoning as to why we question things.
Guess what? You're not going to like this answer, but it's down to 'interpretation'. You may have an answer of '100', but there are people other than you that have the same answer, but the only question is how they arrived there.
No idea what you're talking about...
Agreed.
So, what happens with your 'takedown' when someone like me thinks actually when these 'great stories' happen, there's lots of embellishment and substitutions for forgotten names and situations that mushroom out of hand? And when it's finally recorded it looks nothing like the event that first happened?
... In your opinion and yes, the last two sentences I agree with, but doesn't discount Intelligent design for the the quoted post.
Guess what word I'm going use here...
I have no idea what this round off is supposed to point out, but I'm sure you mean well.
So who's this "they" as you had the temerity to pick up on "many" from my post?!!
I will get back to you on this. I tried last night but my posts weren’t carried onto the reply which made it harder for people reading to reference what I am replying to. I will sort it and come out fighting tomorrow. :)