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*sneaks into forum - swaps boxing ring for octagon...so when Magicpole looks for his corner, he'll lose his bearings. Sure that'll fox him! But shhh, don't tell him anyone.I will get back to you on this. I tried last night but my posts weren’t carried onto the reply which made it harder for people reading to reference what I am replying to. I will sort it and come out fighting tomorrow. :)
Thanks. But 'FollowArfur#?' Erm, I'm not sur.... ahhh, ok. arfursays 'Always tell your mummy
before you go off somewhere.' No, wait...that was Charly. Far out. Try again. arfursays 'always return to rigid theories of truth in your head as if these were the holy grail - especially if you find yourself beginning to really enjoy life.'
Anyhow here's a nice, religious song for people to meditate to if they choose on this holy day...
think you are getting mixed up art, city don't play today
Seems like this has gone quiet? Ok,perhaps now there is space to speak...
I have known that which is violent, unkind, cheating,lying, arrogant within. Not great. Not how I want to be. How best to be with this? Maybe by trying to be their opposites? Not such a bad thing for sure? And yet perhaps there is another way...for example - instead of just trying to be non-violent, instead feel the violence within and let it go...opening to that which is beyond violence/non violence? Is this possible too?
And so, maybe it is not so much a question of which way is right - one of 'religion' or one of 'science'. but rather whether its intent is one of violence or non violence...or something beyond this?
Is like - maybe trying to be non violent is aok but not quite the same as being free from the violence within?
If so...is it possible that trying to be 'non -religious' by being 'scientific' is a wonderful thing... but not quite as beautiful as coming to truly be free of religion?
Beyond that...is it possible that those who wish to be free of the 'darkness' (of religion) are going to have to be willing to open beyond the commonly
accepted 'light' of truth that is called science?
Peace.
I have known that which is violent, unkind, cheating,lying, arrogant within. Not great. Not how I want to be. How best to be with this? Maybe by trying to be their opposites? Not such a bad thing for sure? And yet perhaps there is another way...for example - instead of just trying to be non-violent, instead feel the violence within and let it go...opening to that which is beyond violence/non violence? Is this possible too?
And so, maybe it is not so much a question of which way is right - one of 'religion' or one of 'science'. but rather whether its intent is one of violence or non violence...or something beyond this?
Is like - maybe trying to be non violent is aok but not quite the same as being free from the violence within?
If so...is it possible that trying to be 'non -religious' by being 'scientific' is a wonderful thing... but not quite as beautiful as coming to truly be free of religion?
Beyond that...is it possible that those who wish to be free of the 'darkness' (of religion) are going to have to be willing to open beyond the commonly
accepted 'light' of truth that is called science?
Peace.
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Bigga
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Seems like this has gone quiet? Ok,perhaps now there is space to speak...
I have known that which is violent, unkind, cheating,lying, arrogant within. Not great. Not how I want to be. How best to be with this? Maybe by trying to be their opposites? Not such a bad thing for sure? And yet perhaps there is another way...for example - instead of just trying to be non-violent, instead feel the violence within and let it go...opening to that which is beyond violence/non violence? Is this possible too?
And so, maybe it is not so much a question of which way is right - one of 'religion' or one of 'science'. but rather whether its intent is one of violence or non violence...or something beyond this?
Is like - maybe trying to be non violent is aok but not quite the same as being free from the violence within?
If so...is it possible that trying to be 'non -religious' by being 'scientific' is a wonderful thing... but not quite as beautiful as coming to truly be free of religion?
Beyond that...is it possible that those who wish to be free of the 'darkness' (of religion) are going to have to be willing to open beyond the commonly
accepted 'light' of truth that is called science?
Peace.
I'm not sure what you're asking!
Are you binary in your seeking of solution?
Or can there not be a space to live in between what you're asking?
I know quite a bit about living with violence, living without it and the spaces in between.
Either your objective is unclear or you've not phrased your question clearly enough to garner the answer of which you seek.
More suggesting there is something beyond this. Yes, this may be called 'space' by some - eg not reacting to violence within but not having to shutI'm not sure what you're asking!
Are you binary in your seeking of solution?
Or can there not be a space to live in between what you're asking?
I know quite a bit about living with violence, living without it and the spaces in between.
Either your objective is unclear or you've not phrased your question clearly enough to garner the answer of which you seek.
down and pretend either...what could be called empowered freedom...is enjoyable, truly...a state of harmony, unity even.
Bigga
Well-Known Member
More suggesting there is something beyond this. Yes, this may be called 'space' by some - eg not reacting to violence within but not having to shut
down and pretend either...what could be called empowered freedom...is enjoyable, truly...a state of harmony, unity even.
Are you talking about 'a state of zen'...??
not so fussed as to what it 'is called' or not...more like the absence of the question 'violence or non-violence as the way to act?' is a happy place for me to be. Don'tAre you talking about 'a state of zen'...??
always know this for sure but still...
ps maybe 'wholeness' is the best word to describe this - without any sense of lack...but with a felt sense of trusting Life.
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A politician might choose to sow seeds of confusion.
Faced with this, an electorate might react in such a way
as to double down on their previous choice -
of being 'for' or 'against' said politician.
Creating more polarisation.
So long as the politician can keep the strength of the 'for' greater than the 'against' -
perhaps by using the words/actions of the 'against' to feed the fervour of the 'for' -
then they will win/maintain the power they seek/hold.
The strategy of 'divide and conquer?'
Machiavellian, even.
So in politics, so in religion.
Different name, same game.
Faced with this, an electorate might react in such a way
as to double down on their previous choice -
of being 'for' or 'against' said politician.
Creating more polarisation.
So long as the politician can keep the strength of the 'for' greater than the 'against' -
perhaps by using the words/actions of the 'against' to feed the fervour of the 'for' -
then they will win/maintain the power they seek/hold.
The strategy of 'divide and conquer?'
Machiavellian, even.
So in politics, so in religion.
Different name, same game.