Religion

[Magicpole]

you are right, no one yet knows what happened/existed before the big bang, not sure anyone has said there is proof, there would be a nobel prize up for grabs if they did

but there is plenty who say a higher presence exists and in this thread for a starters they have. yet when asked for the proof we get not a lot in some cases and a whole lot as in arfurs case

no argument, just questions

As science evolved, see what I did there? Anyway, as scientific knowledge expanded religion retreated. But being religion, and fond of a few bob, not to mention the power, they adapted to it. Owned it. When evolution became an accepted fact, they went from total opposition, to saying it was all gods plan.

When Galileo found out the truth of our planetary situation wasn’t as god had claimed, he was threatened with death, recanted his claim and spent the remainder of his life under house arrest.

Similar with the earth being flat. They took a sidestep then claimed it was all gods work. Whilst never explaining why a book written by god could get all the things he created so wrong.

The Big Bang is another top example. They reluctantly agree this is the best explanation but again point to, well what started it. What caused it? Of course, enter stage right God.

A major point of contention is their oft quoted, how can something come from nothing, when not realising that their concept of nothing is not the same as a scientific explanation. Nothing is actually something. Dark matter that cannot be seen. For example.

So, they claim nothing needs something to create something, in steps god again all flowing beard and pointy fingers.

One thing they overlook is if God was behind the Big Bang, then who created god? Where did he come from. And, he’s always masculine. Funny that. But I digress. If nothing can come if nothing, the same rationale must be applied to god.

They don’t like that. Not at all. They conveniently forget all the errors and try to claim everything. The God of the gaps. As the gaps get solved they tap dance and fall back to god in some other guise.

If a book claims to be perfect and it’s riddled with bullshit then it’s not perfect. That doesn’t seem to bother them though.

Then you have the right cunts. Evangelicals, fundamentalists of every hue, who stuck to the word as truth. Adam and Eve, six thousand year old universe and miraculous shenanigans galore.

We then get the spiritual, cosmic knowing universe mob. They know established religions are bolloks but need a deeper meaning and something to rabbit on about stoned at party’s. Or on trips to India.

There is definitely a human need to answer questions in a supernatural way. We fucking love a god to fall in behind. To point to to explain stuff. Thousands of different and conflicting theirues and beliefs of what he wants. Who he us and most importantly, who his chosen are. We are always blessed with the astonishing good fortune of being born at the right time, in the right place and where the right true god resides. What a stroke of luck.

Only fly here is everyone, in every part of the world, feels they are the ones. They don’t see a problem that this mind set is omnipresent. It’s just a case of, everybody else us damned to a death of eternal torment, because they are wrong.

Handy.

They are atheists in relation to every other god as much as I am. They are just blessed with the joy of having been lucky to be born into the right one. Never critically looking at that and asking, what are the odds?

Well, science can’t explain everything and in relation to the Big Bang, may never find out what caused it. However, that should never mean a snake oil salesman, a guru or a book written by men who didn’t know were thecsun went at night can step in a claim to know things they couldn’t.

God was always there, is just too fucking convenient, for anybody whose critical faculties are allowed to function.

God was never shy about showing his power in the books. Floods, smiting galore, taking sides, speaking to certain dudes. But, get him to write down his wonderous creation and he makes a total **** of it that, and get this coincidence, completely reflected what people thought at the time. That was a mistake!

Still nothing jarring god botherers? No? You don’t see a problem there? It’s there, making up a tapestry of excuses doesn’t hide the huge hole in credibility of that mindset.

There is no god. No divine force with intelligence and influence. No supernatural shit. No angels or devils. No heaven or hell. Just a truly wonderous universe that we are a part of. That dying stars created the elements that make up every atom in your body. That you and I are made of stardust. Why is that not beautiful enough? Mind blowing enough?

And no star has ever instructed us to hate peoples who are different. To kill them. To keep other humans as slaves. To keep women as chatells. To burn us for eternity if we stop loving them.

And the main thing. They are real. You can see them. There’s probably a person made out of one sitting beside you right now. How fucking amazing is that?

I think quite a bit.

 

[Magicpole]

Is that a model of York Minster made out of spaghetti?

No, it’s actually lasagne sheets.

 

[Elbow beards]

As science evolved, see what I did there? Anyway, as scientific knowledge expanded religion retreated. But being religion, and fond of a few bob, not to mention the power, they adapted to it. Owned it. When evolution became an accepted fact, they went from total opposition, to saying it was all gods plan.

When Galileo found out the truth of our planetary situation wasn’t as god had claimed, he was threatened with death, recanted his claim and spent the remainder of his life under house arrest.

Similar with the earth being flat. They took a sidestep then claimed it was all gods work. Whilst never explaining why a book written by god could get all the things he created so wrong.

The Big Bang is another top example. They reluctantly agree this is the best explanation but again point to, well what started it. What caused it? Of course, enter stage right God.

A major point of contention is their oft quoted, how can something come from nothing, when not realising that their concept of nothing is not the same as a scientific explanation. Nothing is actually something. Dark matter that cannot be seen. For example.

So, they claim nothing needs something to create something, in steps god again all flowing beard and pointy fingers.

One thing they overlook is if God was behind the Big Bang, then who created god? Where did he come from. And, he’s always masculine. Funny that. But I digress. If nothing can come if nothing, the same rationale must be applied to god.

They don’t like that. Not at all. They conveniently forget all the errors and try to claim everything. The God of the gaps. As the gaps get solved they tap dance and fall back to god in some other guise.

If a book claims to be perfect and it’s riddled with bullshit then it’s not perfect. That doesn’t seem to bother them though.

Then you have the right cunts. Evangelicals, fundamentalists of every hue, who stuck to the word as truth. Adam and Eve, six thousand year old universe and miraculous shenanigans galore.

We then get the spiritual, cosmic knowing universe mob. They know established religions are bolloks but need a deeper meaning and something to rabbit on about stoned at party’s. Or on trips to India.

There is definitely a human need to answer questions in a supernatural way. We fucking love a god to fall in behind. To point to to explain stuff. Thousands of different and conflicting theirues and beliefs of what he wants. Who he us and most importantly, who his chosen are. We are always blessed with the astonishing good fortune of being born at the right time, in the right place and where the right true god resides. What a stroke of luck.

Only fly here is everyone, in every part of the world, feels they are the ones. They don’t see a problem that this mind set is omnipresent. It’s just a case of, everybody else us damned to a death of eternal torment, because they are wrong.

Handy.

They are atheists in relation to every other god as much as I am. They are just blessed with the joy of having been lucky to be born into the right one. Never critically looking at that and asking, what are the odds?

Well, science can’t explain everything and in relation to the Big Bang, may never find out what caused it. However, that should never mean a snake oil salesman, a guru or a book written by men who didn’t know were thecsun went at night can step in a claim to know things they couldn’t.

God was always there, is just too fucking convenient, for anybody whose critical faculties are allowed to function.

God was never shy about showing his power in the books. Floods, smiting galore, taking sides, speaking to certain dudes. But, get him to write down his wonderous creation and he makes a total **** of it that, and get this coincidence, completely reflected what people thought at the time. That was a mistake!

Still nothing jarring god botherers? No? You don’t see a problem there? It’s there, making up a tapestry of excuses doesn’t hide the huge hole in credibility of that mindset.

There is no god. No divine force with intelligence and influence. No supernatural shit. No angels or devils. No heaven or hell. Just a truly wonderous universe that we are a part of. That dying stars created the elements that make up every atom in your body. That you and I are made of stardust. Why is that not beautiful enough? Mind blowing enough?

And no star has ever instructed us to hate peoples who are different. To kill them. To keep other humans as slaves. To keep women as chatells. To burn us for eternity if we stop loving them.

And the main thing. They are real. You can see them. There’s probably a person made out of one sitting beside you right now. How fucking amazing is that?

I think quite a bit.

Here, fucking here, couldn't have put it better myself. Now let's wait for the inane ramblings of Arfur as some sort of retort.
P. S. Be careful coming down here south of the wall with your warcry speeches, you might get hung, drawn and quartered. ;)

 

[Magicpole]

Here, fucking here, couldn't have put it better myself. Now let's wait for the inane ramblings of Arfur as some sort of retort.
P. S. Be careful coming down here south of the wall with your warcry speeches, you might get hung, drawn and quartered. ;)

They need to catch me first. :)

 

[arfurclue]

As science evolved, see what I did there? Anyway, as scientific knowledge expanded religion retreated. But being religion, and fond of a few bob, not to mention the power, they adapted to it. Owned it. When evolution became an accepted fact, they went from total opposition, to saying it was all gods plan.

When Galileo found out the truth of our planetary situation wasn’t as god had claimed, he was threatened with death, recanted his claim and spent the remainder of his life under house arrest.

Similar with the earth being flat. They took a sidestep then claimed it was all gods work. Whilst never explaining why a book written by god could get all the things he created so wrong.

The Big Bang is another top example. They reluctantly agree this is the best explanation but again point to, well what started it. What caused it? Of course, enter stage right God.

A major point of contention is their oft quoted, how can something come from nothing, when not realising that their concept of nothing is not the same as a scientific explanation. Nothing is actually something. Dark matter that cannot be seen. For example.

So, they claim nothing needs something to create something, in steps god again all flowing beard and pointy fingers.

One thing they overlook is if God was behind the Big Bang, then who created god? Where did he come from. And, he’s always masculine. Funny that. But I digress. If nothing can come if nothing, the same rationale must be applied to god.

They don’t like that. Not at all. They conveniently forget all the errors and try to claim everything. The God of the gaps. As the gaps get solved they tap dance and fall back to god in some other guise.

If a book claims to be perfect and it’s riddled with bullshit then it’s not perfect. That doesn’t seem to bother them though.

Then you have the right cunts. Evangelicals, fundamentalists of every hue, who stuck to the word as truth. Adam and Eve, six thousand year old universe and miraculous shenanigans galore.

We then get the spiritual, cosmic knowing universe mob. They know established religions are bolloks but need a deeper meaning and something to rabbit on about stoned at party’s. Or on trips to India.

There is definitely a human need to answer questions in a supernatural way. We fucking love a god to fall in behind. To point to to explain stuff. Thousands of different and conflicting theirues and beliefs of what he wants. Who he us and most importantly, who his chosen are. We are always blessed with the astonishing good fortune of being born at the right time, in the right place and where the right true god resides. What a stroke of luck.

Only fly here is everyone, in every part of the world, feels they are the ones. They don’t see a problem that this mind set is omnipresent. It’s just a case of, everybody else us damned to a death of eternal torment, because they are wrong.

Handy.

They are atheists in relation to every other god as much as I am. They are just blessed with the joy of having been lucky to be born into the right one. Never critically looking at that and asking, what are the odds?

Well, science can’t explain everything and in relation to the Big Bang, may never find out what caused it. However, that should never mean a snake oil salesman, a guru or a book written by men who didn’t know were thecsun went at night can step in a claim to know things they couldn’t.

God was always there, is just too fucking convenient, for anybody whose critical faculties are allowed to function.

God was never shy about showing his power in the books. Floods, smiting galore, taking sides, speaking to certain dudes. But, get him to write down his wonderous creation and he makes a total **** of it that, and get this coincidence, completely reflected what people thought at the time. That was a mistake!

Still nothing jarring god botherers? No? You don’t see a problem there? It’s there, making up a tapestry of excuses doesn’t hide the huge hole in credibility of that mindset.

There is no god. No divine force with intelligence and influence. No supernatural shit. No angels or devils. No heaven or hell. Just a truly wonderous universe that we are a part of. That dying stars created the elements that make up every atom in your body. That you and I are made of stardust. Why is that not beautiful enough? Mind blowing enough?

And no star has ever instructed us to hate peoples who are different. To kill them. To keep other humans as slaves. To keep women as chatells. To burn us for eternity if we stop loving them.

And the main thing. They are real. You can see them. There’s probably a person made out of one sitting beside you right now. How fucking amazing is that?

I think quite a bit.

Your arguing with yourself about the non-existence of silence doesn't prove that it doesn't exist, no matter how much noise your mind might make.

 

[Magicpole]

Your arguing with yourself about the non-existence of silence doesn't prove that it doesn't exist, no matter how much noise your mind might make.

Not your silence though Arfur, that doesn’t exist. :)

 

[arfurclue]

Here, fucking here, couldn't have put it better myself. Now let's wait for the inane ramblings of Arfur as some sort of retort.
P. S. Be careful coming down here south of the wall with your warcry speeches, you might get hung, drawn and quartered. ;)

Was looking out of my window the other, sunny day and someone was throwing sticks and stones at the moving shadows cast
as the wind blew through the trees. Then they celebrated with glee. Was this you by any chance?

 

[arfurclue]

Not your silence though Arfur, that doesn’t exist. :)

Not in intellectual terms or emotional states or physical conditions. No. But maybe that's the whole point - that there is something
beyond this? For now, we could all makes lots of noise...send our minds racing til they tire and then we'll collapse, exhausted...only
to laugh our tits off, as we come to remember silence...

 

[Bigga]

As science evolved, see what I did there? Anyway, as scientific knowledge expanded religion retreated. But being religion, and fond of a few bob, not to mention the power, they adapted to it. Owned it. When evolution became an accepted fact, they went from total opposition, to saying it was all gods plan.

When Galileo found out the truth of our planetary situation wasn’t as god had claimed, he was threatened with death, recanted his claim and spent the remainder of his life under house arrest.

Similar with the earth being flat. They took a sidestep then claimed it was all gods work. Whilst never explaining why a book written by god could get all the things he created so wrong.

The Big Bang is another top example. They reluctantly agree this is the best explanation but again point to, well what started it. What caused it? Of course, enter stage right God.

A major point of contention is their oft quoted, how can something come from nothing, when not realising that their concept of nothing is not the same as a scientific explanation. Nothing is actually something. Dark matter that cannot be seen. For example.

So, they claim nothing needs something to create something, in steps god again all flowing beard and pointy fingers.

One thing they overlook is if God was behind the Big Bang, then who created god? Where did he come from. And, he’s always masculine. Funny that. But I digress. If nothing can come if nothing, the same rationale must be applied to god.

They don’t like that. Not at all. They conveniently forget all the errors and try to claim everything. The God of the gaps. As the gaps get solved they tap dance and fall back to god in some other guise.

If a book claims to be perfect and it’s riddled with bullshit then it’s not perfect. That doesn’t seem to bother them though.

Then you have the right cunts. Evangelicals, fundamentalists of every hue, who stuck to the word as truth. Adam and Eve, six thousand year old universe and miraculous shenanigans galore.

We then get the spiritual, cosmic knowing universe mob. They know established religions are bolloks but need a deeper meaning and something to rabbit on about stoned at party’s. Or on trips to India.

There is definitely a human need to answer questions in a supernatural way. We fucking love a god to fall in behind. To point to to explain stuff. Thousands of different and conflicting theirues and beliefs of what he wants. Who he us and most importantly, who his chosen are. We are always blessed with the astonishing good fortune of being born at the right time, in the right place and where the right true god resides. What a stroke of luck.

Only fly here is everyone, in every part of the world, feels they are the ones. They don’t see a problem that this mind set is omnipresent. It’s just a case of, everybody else us damned to a death of eternal torment, because they are wrong.

Handy.

They are atheists in relation to every other god as much as I am. They are just blessed with the joy of having been lucky to be born into the right one. Never critically looking at that and asking, what are the odds?

Well, science can’t explain everything and in relation to the Big Bang, may never find out what caused it. However, that should never mean a snake oil salesman, a guru or a book written by men who didn’t know were thecsun went at night can step in a claim to know things they couldn’t.

God was always there, is just too fucking convenient, for anybody whose critical faculties are allowed to function.

God was never shy about showing his power in the books. Floods, smiting galore, taking sides, speaking to certain dudes. But, get him to write down his wonderous creation and he makes a total **** of it that, and get this coincidence, completely reflected what people thought at the time. That was a mistake!

Still nothing jarring god botherers? No? You don’t see a problem there? It’s there, making up a tapestry of excuses doesn’t hide the huge hole in credibility of that mindset.

There is no god. No divine force with intelligence and influence. No supernatural shit. No angels or devils. No heaven or hell. Just a truly wonderous universe that we are a part of. That dying stars created the elements that make up every atom in your body. That you and I are made of stardust. Why is that not beautiful enough? Mind blowing enough?

And no star has ever instructed us to hate peoples who are different. To kill them. To keep other humans as slaves. To keep women as chatells. To burn us for eternity if we stop loving them.

And the main thing. They are real. You can see them. There’s probably a person made out of one sitting beside you right now. How fucking amazing is that?

I think quite a bit.

I'm catching this as I have sh*t to do, right now, but I will return in due course.

Let me leave you with this, though, the Bible is a MAN made book through INTERPRETATION of apparent 'word' of a Higher power.

The King James version of the Bible is, apparently, not 'faithful'.

It also has often been agreed, by many, that the Qu'ran itself is also not word for word, but does have 'similar' phrases and text that could read 'alternatively'.

Paraphrased from memory and documentary.

Anyway, I'll come with greater depth and analysis of your post, later.

 

[Magicpole]

I'm catching this as I have sh*t to do, right now, but I will return in due course.

Let me leave you with this, though, the Bible is a MAN made book through INTERPRETATION of apparent 'word' of a Higher power.

The King James version of the Bible is, apparently, not 'faithful'.

It also has often been agreed, by many, that the Qu'ran itself is also not word for word, but does have 'similar' phrases and text that could read 'alternatively'.

Paraphrased from memory and documentary.

Anyway, I'll come with greater depth and analysis of your post, later.

I love the “many” who could be relied on to pop up to validate an idea or proposition.

One of Ancient Aliens most used terms.

“Many believe.... that this load of shite I’m going to waste oxygen discussing actually fucking happened”

Hail the many, for they possess the secrets of truth itself. :)