Respect for Referees
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What respect? Respect needs to be earned and they are doing the polar opposite and losing what little is left
It's beyond them and they need help in the form of technology
Unless of course they like the fact that they can get away with blue murder and then just say they didn't see it or it was too fast for them etc in the knowledge that the FA will react to the medja outcry but there will be no sanction against the ref and no change in the result that may well have been affected by his ineptitude and/or potential personal bias
too much at stake and too much medja scrutiny so refereeing needs to move with the times
It's beyond them and they need help in the form of technology
Unless of course they like the fact that they can get away with blue murder and then just say they didn't see it or it was too fast for them etc in the knowledge that the FA will react to the medja outcry but there will be no sanction against the ref and no change in the result that may well have been affected by his ineptitude and/or potential personal bias
too much at stake and too much medja scrutiny so refereeing needs to move with the times
lust overlord
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Castiel said:
Got to agree with this,two wrongs don't make a right I know, but this is a rare case of things evening themselves up.We are due quite a lot of luck with decisions,somehow can't see us getting too many though!
Sleeping_Easy
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Can anyone think of a league in the world where theres respect for referees?
Respect needs to be there.
It's what you teach kids at the youngest level. They have to respect the ref. The older they get the more difficult it becomes, but at every level, no matter how justified it is, it is neccesary. The game wouldn't function without refs.
That said, I always thought that ex players would make better refs.
Not respecting refs isn't an option. They have to work with them. IF a ref feels like they are not being respected they wont give any time to a player.
Refs have a hard job, incompetence from refs has always been in the game. We only notice it more now because every decision, every point is a necessity when pushing for the title.
But respect needs to start at home. They get no help from the guys in suits. Technology would help massively. Because of one mans error a massive mistake could go the wrong way, all because he looked away for a second, or had a bad view of something.
He then must live with the hate being thrown at him. It is not something I imagine they enjoy and it's not what they'd bring on themselves intentionally.
If football entered this century like nearly every other sport a lot of the pressure would be taken off the referees shoulders.
Also, refs are painful in every sport, but in football you cannot approach them, you can't ask them a question or state something to them without being sent away and threatened with a card.
In rugby the will talk to the captains and tell them what's going on.
If a player keeps going offside he'll call the captains in and explain to them that he's seen too much of it and whoever does it again will be given a yellow.
I'm talking about captains, and just captains, being allowed to talk to the referee, and ref to the captains.
And clear, crystal clear rules. If a two footed tackle is a red card, fine, but let it be a red card in every situation.
They have to be crystal clear, with no room for doubt.
Refs have made and will continue to make all kinds of errors, they are human and it happens in every sport, and at ever level.
They are infurriating, but we've to live with them. Life would be a hell of a lot easier for them and the players if we just entered the 21st century.<br /><br />-- Sun Jan 29, 2012 11:56 pm --<br /><br />
This..but I've seen players say sir to refs on a rugby pitch. Regardless fo what they are thinking in their heads. Would that make a difference.
I'm sure it would make Chris Foy all fuzzy in the inside.
It's what you teach kids at the youngest level. They have to respect the ref. The older they get the more difficult it becomes, but at every level, no matter how justified it is, it is neccesary. The game wouldn't function without refs.
That said, I always thought that ex players would make better refs.
Not respecting refs isn't an option. They have to work with them. IF a ref feels like they are not being respected they wont give any time to a player.
Refs have a hard job, incompetence from refs has always been in the game. We only notice it more now because every decision, every point is a necessity when pushing for the title.
But respect needs to start at home. They get no help from the guys in suits. Technology would help massively. Because of one mans error a massive mistake could go the wrong way, all because he looked away for a second, or had a bad view of something.
He then must live with the hate being thrown at him. It is not something I imagine they enjoy and it's not what they'd bring on themselves intentionally.
If football entered this century like nearly every other sport a lot of the pressure would be taken off the referees shoulders.
Also, refs are painful in every sport, but in football you cannot approach them, you can't ask them a question or state something to them without being sent away and threatened with a card.
In rugby the will talk to the captains and tell them what's going on.
If a player keeps going offside he'll call the captains in and explain to them that he's seen too much of it and whoever does it again will be given a yellow.
I'm talking about captains, and just captains, being allowed to talk to the referee, and ref to the captains.
And clear, crystal clear rules. If a two footed tackle is a red card, fine, but let it be a red card in every situation.
They have to be crystal clear, with no room for doubt.
Refs have made and will continue to make all kinds of errors, they are human and it happens in every sport, and at ever level.
They are infurriating, but we've to live with them. Life would be a hell of a lot easier for them and the players if we just entered the 21st century.<br /><br />-- Sun Jan 29, 2012 11:56 pm --<br /><br />
Sleeping_Easy said:
This..but I've seen players say sir to refs on a rugby pitch. Regardless fo what they are thinking in their heads. Would that make a difference.
I'm sure it would make Chris Foy all fuzzy in the inside.
bluemoondays
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One of the things I wish for is that the refs would grow some balls and start booking players for mouthing off at them, crowding them etc.
Also, instead of back-peddling as I see a fair bit of, they should stand their ground so the player, running to the ref with spittle flying from their gob actually ends up pushing them over - straight red!
That'd do for starters, then just have to sort out all the other shit like inconsistent decisions. Some players are getting yellow cards on their first foul whilst others can commit 5-6 before getting a yellow. It drives me insane to see "Scotty", Adam, Scholes (to name a few) commit foul after foul and only get yellows 3/4 of the way into the game because of leniency.
Also, instead of back-peddling as I see a fair bit of, they should stand their ground so the player, running to the ref with spittle flying from their gob actually ends up pushing them over - straight red!
That'd do for starters, then just have to sort out all the other shit like inconsistent decisions. Some players are getting yellow cards on their first foul whilst others can commit 5-6 before getting a yellow. It drives me insane to see "Scotty", Adam, Scholes (to name a few) commit foul after foul and only get yellows 3/4 of the way into the game because of leniency.
lust overlord
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This.bluemoondays said:
Whether we like it or not referees watch and are influenced by the media.We already know that certain players will either be punished for their first transgression,or get away with it dependent on how they have been portrayed in the papers etc.How can the FA expect respect when the rules are so easily ignored when it suits?
The first thing the Fa should do is insist referees treat every player the same no matter what their "reputation" and demote those who don't comply.The amount of times referees have been absolutely terrible game after game and still keep their elite status is laughable.
Having said all that Mike Riley was one of the worst of a fairly bad bunch a few seasons ago,so we shouldn't be too surprised at the standards now.
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If the FA were really bothered about this, they'd forget all the fancy posters and enforced handshakes, and actually deal with the root cause of the problem. There should be zero tolerance at all levels of the game.Azblue90 said:
I tried my hand at rugby as a kid and, being a football lad, shouted 'Oh come on ref' when he gave something against my team. The very public bollocking I got from both the ref and the manager still lives with me today!! Yet much worse is heard on football pitches all over the country.
It will take a generation to clean it all up, but as kids copy what they see on TV, an effort at least has to be made to sort out the behaviour of the pros. The rugby approach should be enforced, with yellow cards handed out for ANY dissent and red cards for verbally abusing the referee or crowding round him. They'd soon pack it in. Although we've been saying that for at least 10 years now and the authorities still haven't had the balls to deal with it.
I'd also like to see the referees being much less chummy with the players they are officiating. I know it was done to ingratiate the refs more into the game and make them more approachable, but it's failed and (predictably) the players have just taken the piss. There's nothing more pathetic in this world than seeing the man who is supposed to be in charge of the game shouting 'JT', 'Scholesy', 'Johnno', 'Carlos' while the player in question studiously ignores him and runs off in the opposite direction. It makes them look like desperate fucking groupies FFS. The players should be referred to only by their shirt numbers.
And that's another thing; the players should go to the referee when called, not the other way round. "No. 10, come here." And if he doesn't, he's booked immediately. And if he starts backing away before the ref has finished talking to him and indicated that he can go, then he's booked again. These guys are meant to be in charge of the game; but you'd never guess that looking in from the outside. They look more like fawning little schoolgirls desperate for a bit of attention from their idols.
Footballers are generally an immature, obnoxious, insolent bunch with shit for brains and superiority complexes that are off the scale. Give them an inch and they'll take a mile; that's just the kind of people they tend to be. You certainly can't trust them to get on with things and regulate their own behviour accordingly. So treat them like the idiotic little school children they really are.
The current generation of pros will have to have 'respect' enforced through yellow and red cards, but eventually it will become the default setting in football, just as it is in rugby.
