Return of Supporters

cptaidan88 said:
Think we'll all be back in a lockdown before the end of December, so seems better for pubs etc not to open up for a few days and have to shut down again. They would lose a lot more money doing that.

Envious of Liverpool fans being allowed in for the time being, but to be frank, there are bigger inequalities and issues of unfairness in the league, think people need some perspective. Liverpool having fans is not the reason we lie in mid table.

Hopefully we can get back in grounds towards the end of January or early Feb.
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Where we are in the table is irrelevant, its a crock of shit that some fans are allowed in & some aren't...
 
BLUEMATT23 said:
The club were stupid to presume we would go down to tier 2.
The government has shown nothing but utter contempt for the north and I for one will not forget this when I vote in the next election.
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I don’t think they’ve assumed, just planned ahead. If they hadn’t and we had gone into tier 2 they’d only have had a week to do the ballot
 
Psychedelic Casual said:
Yeah good points.

I didn’t go into the ballot for Newcastle neither. I think it’s a bad idea. I just think we should be doing as little as possible until we have enough immunity across the nation to open things that aren’t essential like football crowds back up.
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Yeah, things need get properly under control with widespread immunity before we should be relaxing restrictions. In fact I think there's a strong argument for moving more Tier 2 areas into Tier 3. For example, here in Tier 2 Carlisle the cases dropped significantly after the latest lockdown and some people were getting giddy about the possibility of moving down into Tier 1 before Christmas. Guess what - since this time last week cases here have almost doubled and it's starting to look serious again. Apart from the odd pocket here & there it's the same throughout Cumbria & the NE. We are a long way away from coming through this IMHO.
 
Going in the ballot now Burnley isn’t happening. Didn’t want a ticket for that match, if I‘d got one.
 
Tim of the Oak said:
The Country is run by journalists and politicians. They are capable of more than you think , just like Starmer and co are.
Looking at the criteria won’t tell you why Manchester is in Tier 3. It may well be for the best
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The criteria. From what I can find the issue in Gt Manc is the pressure on the NHS with a very large number of Covid patients and high rates in 60+
  • Total number of Covid cases in an area
  • The number of cases in the over-60s
  • The rate at which cases are rising or falling
  • The proportion of test results coming back positive
  • Pressure on the NHS
 
Gordyola said:
The criteria. From what I can find the issue in Gt Manc is the pressure on the NHS with a very large number of Covid patients and high rates in 60+
  • Total number of Covid cases in an area
  • The number of cases in the over-60s
  • The rate at which cases are rising or falling
  • The proportion of test results coming back positive
  • Pressure on the NHS
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Thanks for your response. think the pressure on the NHS would equally apply to Liverpool but we may never know the full details.

FWIW, I once worked on hospital waiting times policy in the Department of Health. Working minutes of the news of the then Labour leader John Smith dying, somebody was on the phone from Labour HW asking whether the ambulance had arrived within the Patients’ Charter time target. They could be viewed as a reasonable inquiry but politicians like journalists always want an angle. The current Government consists of both the above.
 
TheCentralScrutinizer said:
Where we are in the table is irrelevant, its a crock of shit that some fans are allowed in & some aren't...
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Fans should be allowed in where it is safe to do so, period. Can't say I'm surprised to hear the selfish point of view of "if I can't go then no one else should".

I presume you've got an issue tomorrow when our team with a squad valuation of £1.361bn take on a squad valued at £261m? Where's your sporting integrity there?
 
cptaidan88 said:
Fans should be allowed in where it is safe to do so, period. Can't say I'm surprised to hear the selfish point of view of "if I can't go then no one else should".

I presume you've got an issue tomorrow when our team with a squad valuation of £1.361bn take on a squad valued at £261m? Where's your sporting integrity there?
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You really can't see the difference...
 
I feel conflicted tbh. I applied for the Newcastle ballot, because I felt I should. But if I am totally honest I was a bit relieved that it wasn’t drawn. This whole situation leaves me confused and totally pissed off.
 
TheCentralScrutinizer said:
You really can't see the difference...
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There's a huge difference, it's about £1.1bn, or each player is worth more than 5x the value of a Southampton player depending how you prefer to view that. If your issue is with fans specifically, we would also usually have about twice as many fans at a home game than they do at their ground too. Feels like there are several issues with sporting integrity, and selfish folk are choosing to focus on the most minor one. So minor infact, that I don't think it's actually an issue.

I've read so many times on this forum how important going to the football is for certain individuals mental health. What about that? I'm envious of Liverpool (and all the other clubs ) allowing a tiny number of fans at the minute, but do not begrudge them one bit.

Football clubs in the lower leagues are genuinely on the edge of going under and this allowed them to generate some income where it was deemed safe to do so. "But I think Liverpool get an unfair advantage", so fuck everyone else right?

You'll get your wish soon enough when we all go into another lockdown and no one can go and watch their team.

Hopefully Manchester comes out of the next lockdown in tier 2 or better. Will we see the same faces in here saying we shouldn't be allowed any fans in if for example people in London can't go? Will we fuck.
 
cptaidan88 said:
There's a huge difference, it's about £1.1bn, or each player is worth more than 5x the value of a Southampton player depending how you prefer to view that. If your issue is with fans specifically, we would also usually have about twice as many fans at a home game than they do at their ground too. Feels like there are several issues with sporting integrity, and selfish folk are choosing to focus on the most minor one. So minor infact, that I don't think it's actually an issue.

I've read so many times on this forum how important going to the football is for certain individuals mental health. What about that? I'm envious of Liverpool (and all the other clubs ) allowing a tiny number of fans at the minute, but do not begrudge them one bit.

Football clubs in the lower leagues are genuinely on the edge of going under and this allowed them to generate some income where it was deemed safe to do so. "But I think Liverpool get an unfair advantage", so fuck everyone else right?

You'll get your wish soon enough when we all go into another lockdown and no one can go and watch their team.

Hopefully Manchester comes out of the next lockdown in tier 2 or better. Will we see the same faces in here saying we shouldn't be allowed any fans in if for example people in London can't go? Will we fuck.
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Take City out of the equation....What if I supported Burnley or Newcastle or Villa or Wolves etc etc etc....their players don't cost 5x what Southamptons cost....idiotic comparison...same with the attendances...
 
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Some news reports for you:

1) According to informed sources the UK will have vaccinated 500k by this weekend.
2) Next week the UK is expected to vaccinate at 1 million per week.
3) There are newspaper reports suggesting the MHRA may approve the Oxford vaccine on the 28th December which will open up an unprecedented vaccination campaign across every town, city and village resulting in vaccination of the over 50's plus vulnerable groups by March.

IF this unfolds then the speed at which football re-opens will be fact and risk driven. If we know that all the vulnerable have been vaccinated and the infection rates, and hospitalisation rates are close to zero, everything will re-open.

The vaccine's aren't based on hope. They are based on theory, and experiment. Providing the MHrA approves the Oxford vaccine this is likely to unfold.
 
Proper missing it this time of the year, more so because it's when i take the Mrs for her annual 1 game of the season. No kids loads of beer and generally a good argument free day most of the time haha
 
Was driving round m60 tonight and on impulse decided to cut inside down Oldham road and then past the etihad. As I drove past all I could think was how beautiful it looked.
Boy, do I miss that place.
Then a left just so I could go past the Grove pub.
Back on the M60 at Ashton I told my wife it was a short cut.
She just looked at me and smiled.
She knew.
 
How is this fair? And one then insists on not spreading them all around the ground but instead stuffing them together in one stand behind the goal so the acoustics work better for them ...

 
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mag said:
How is this fair? And one then insists on not spreading them all around the ground but instead stuffing them together in one stand behind the goal so the acoustics work better for them ...

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mag said:
How is this fair? And one then insists on not spreading them all around the ground but instead stuffing them together in one stand behind the goal so the acoustics work better for them ...

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They’re not English, they’re Scouse. Rules don’t apply. Unless they want the government to pay their staff for them again
 
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