Riot in Tottenham

[BTH]

Re: Riot in Tottenham (continued)

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Over a year ago, Clegg predicted this would happen; Lord Snooty said it wouldn't.

Despite having over a year to plan for it, Clegg's been in charge for the last couple of days and hasn't had a clue what to do!

Luckily, Snooty's finally decided to cut short his jolly and fly back to sort it all out - presumably in a World War I biplane, judging by the time it's taking him.

My guess is he'll encourage everyone to man up and form their own police forces in a do-if-for-nowt-Big-Society kind of a way...

 

[Ronnie the Rep]

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Violence only leads to more violence.

I thought you said you had no problem with the police being attacked/killed?

I'm not going to say anymore on that subject. People know where I stand so there's no need for me to say anything else regarding the police.

I have no sympathy for the police at all but saying I'd like to see them attacked was a flippant comment that undermined my general world view.

I'm against violence of any kind but state sanctioned violence inflicted upon the people is not only very wrong, it's also frightening and will simply lead to more abuse of power.

Problem - Reaction - Solution


In all seriousness. What would you do about what is happening tonight?

Expect to lose a lot more civil liberties over the next 12 months with the 'riots' being used as an excuse.

Once again, I'm not here to offend, I realise my opinions are quite forward thinking and not to everyone's taste and I'm more than happy for people to disagree with me.[/quote]

 

[WNRH]

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Send the army in and ambush the scrotes with rubber bullets. This isn't rioting, it's mass robbing and shitting on their own community.

I feel for the police and the fire brigade for what they are going through tonight. I can't imagine what that Reeves family are going through now, seeing their family business of 100+ years being ruined by a bunch of mindless, low class morons.

Fucking cunts the lot of them.

 

[SWP's back]

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Send in the army minus live ammo. We can't have the armed forces shooting people on the streets.

The army would add man power, give them tear gas, water canons and rubber bullets.

This is madness.

If they send the army in with live ammunition, this country is in civil war.

Thats why it shouldn't and wouldn't ever happen.

 

[Unknown_Genius]

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innocent people at risk.

fire brigade coming under attack, will they attack ambulance staff next aswell?

yet still some think 'it's not that bad'.

where does it stop?

at this rate it doesn't.

At your rate we rename London Baghdad.

I've also seen no one say "its not that bad".

Manchester is starting next word has it.

when there ruining our city, and your caught in it.

good luck to you.

Don't worry, we have the MIBs, and Eddie Beef. Everythings going to be dandy.

 

[TCIB]

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I like your posts Ronnie, but this statement is wrong. The HRA is a wonderful piece of legislation and in no way hampers the police's rights to enforce the law fully in circumstances such as this.

I am happy to be corrected. Please explain. If a copper biffs one of these 'protesters' they will get sued

All the Human Rights Act does is enshrine the European Convention on Human Rights in UK law - although it has applied in this country since 1951.

In terms of Article 11 - Freedom of assembly the Convention says:

1. Everyone has the right to freedom of peaceful assembly and to freedom of association with others, including the right to form and to join trade unions for the protection of his interests.

This Article is further qualified as follows:


2. No restrictions shall be placed on the exercise of these rights other than such as are prescribed by law and are necessary in a democratic society in the interests of national security or public safety, for the prevention of disorder or crime, for the protection of health or morals or for the protection of the rights and freedoms of others. This article shall not prevent the imposition of lawful restrictions on the exercise of these rights by members of the armed forces, of the police or of the administration of the State.

I counted about nine get out clauses there!

There is no way that any rioter would have a leg to stand on in respect of the HRA unless the circumstances were extraordinary - like a rogue copper going on a shooting frenzy.

I see it as an important piece of legislation because it safeguards our rights against the state. Having read your posts I though you'd see that as a good thing;-)

Some parts of the act are sensible but far to many allow abuse of the law and others human rights imo. This has led to the public who its supposed to protect losing faith in the law. It was ok before Cherie Blair had the act ammended in 1998. This many experts and the man on the street point to as pivotal in how the act is regarded en mass.

 

[TheMightyQuinn]

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In all seriousness. What would you do about what is happening tonight?

I don't know. It's something I'd have to think long and hard about as snap judgements are more often than not completely wrong.

I definitely wouldn't advocate introducing live ammunition to an already violent and volatile situation though.

 

[GStar]

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Over a year ago, Clegg predicted this would happen; Lord Snooty said it wouldn't.

Despite having over a year to plan for it, Clegg's been in charge for the last couple of days and hasn't had a clue what to do!

Luckily, Snooty's finally decided to cut short his jolly and fly back to sort it all out - presumably in a World War I biplane, judging by the time it's taking him.

My guess is he'll encourage everyone to man up and form their own police forces in a do-if-for-nowt-Big-Society kind of a way...

I think it's very unfair to turn this into a political point scoring game, the people out there have most likely never voted, both because they can't be arsed, but more so because they're not even old enough.

 

[wayne71]

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Violence only leads to more violence.

I thought you said you had no problem with the police being attacked/killed?

I'm not going to say anymore on that subject. People know where I stand so there's no need for me to say anything else regarding the police.

I have no sympathy for the police at all but saying I'd like to see them attacked was a flippant comment that undermined my general world view.

I'm against violence of any kind but state sanctioned violence inflicted upon the people is not only very wrong, it's also frightening and will simply lead to more abuse of power.

Problem - Reaction - Solution

Expect to lose a lot more civil liberties over the next 12 months with the 'riots' being used as an excuse.

Once again, I'm not here to offend, I realise my opinions are quite forward thinking and not to everyone's taste and I'm more than happy for people to disagree with me.

I think your general world view needs a reality check. You seem a nice chap that smokes too much weed.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

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Send in the army minus live ammo. We can't have the armed forces shooting people on the streets.

The army would add man power, give them tear gas, water canons and rubber bullets.

This is madness.

It would be a necessary show of force. Which is what is required to stop this escalating out of control.